• XIIIesq
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      Ok, that’s fine, but what you are doing is equating everyone that expresses a different opinion on musks salute to a Nazi, and whilst I understand why that is a popular opinion here, I don’t think it’s entirely helpful.

      You could say it’s your opinion that they are gullible, delusional, easily misled or whatever else, let me know when democracy, the rule of law and human rights are being infringed and let’s talk.

      • toomanypancakes
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        144 days ago

        If you’re arguing it wasn’t a Nazi salute you either never saw it on purpose or you’re lying. Either way it’s a sign you’re a bad person and probably shouldn’t be given a platform to spread hate. Sorry that’s so complicated!

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          I’m not arguing about Musk here, I’m arguing whether people should be allowed to express themselves.

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            Of course they should. And people who do Nazi expressions on TV should suffer the expected social consequences, because people should be responsible for the things they say and do.

            Are you gonna defend everyone who expresses a “history of fucking your mom” this way, too?

            Or are you going to admit that appealing to freedom of expression isn’t really an argument in defense of a persistent pattern of behavior that includes but did not culminate with a literal Nazi salute?

          • toomanypancakes
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            114 days ago

            Ultimately, the only person that knows if that was a Nazi salute is musk.

            As well as every person who saw him do it. It’s clear as fucking day and you’re lying about it. Why?

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              It’s an opinion. I’m not saying it was, I’m not saying it wasn’t, I’m expressing some level of doubt, nothing more nothing less.

              But I’m not here to talk about musk’s salute, I’m here to say people are entitled to an opinion.

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                124 days ago

                It’s not an opinion to say something never happened. Do you think arguing the Holocaust is a myth is just a matter of opinion, and everyone should be entitled to talk about how fake the Holocaust is and how Jews are the devil actually at all times, because that’s just freedom of speech?

                People are entitled to an opinion. People are not entitled to lie in public to spread hate. You are lying in public to spread hate right now. Stop it.

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                  I’m not getting drawn in to the debate of wether it was or wasn’t.

                  I’m defending people’s rights to have an opinion without being labeled a Nazi by default because it trivialises the awful crimes commited in WWII.

                  Denying the holocaust is a crime in some countries, and with good reason. Let me know when we’re not allowed to discuss the actions of Musk.

                  • toomanypancakes
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                    114 days ago

                    I’m not getting drawn in to the debate of wether it was or wasn’t.

                    That is the entire topic of discussion. Why don’t you go take a break, you seem to be having a hard time.