• XIIIesq
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    I’m not arguing about Musk here, I’m arguing whether people should be allowed to express themselves.

    • toomanypancakes
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      114 days ago

      Ultimately, the only person that knows if that was a Nazi salute is musk.

      As well as every person who saw him do it. It’s clear as fucking day and you’re lying about it. Why?

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        It’s an opinion. I’m not saying it was, I’m not saying it wasn’t, I’m expressing some level of doubt, nothing more nothing less.

        But I’m not here to talk about musk’s salute, I’m here to say people are entitled to an opinion.

        • toomanypancakes
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          124 days ago

          It’s not an opinion to say something never happened. Do you think arguing the Holocaust is a myth is just a matter of opinion, and everyone should be entitled to talk about how fake the Holocaust is and how Jews are the devil actually at all times, because that’s just freedom of speech?

          People are entitled to an opinion. People are not entitled to lie in public to spread hate. You are lying in public to spread hate right now. Stop it.

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            I’m not getting drawn in to the debate of wether it was or wasn’t.

            I’m defending people’s rights to have an opinion without being labeled a Nazi by default because it trivialises the awful crimes commited in WWII.

            Denying the holocaust is a crime in some countries, and with good reason. Let me know when we’re not allowed to discuss the actions of Musk.

            • toomanypancakes
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              114 days ago

              I’m not getting drawn in to the debate of wether it was or wasn’t.

              That is the entire topic of discussion. Why don’t you go take a break, you seem to be having a hard time.

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                I’d argue that whilst it is the source of the debate that I’m currently only interested in the tangential discussion regarding freedom of speech and whether it is ok to label someone a Nazi because you disagree with them.

                You can discuss Musk with other people, I’m not interested.

                • toomanypancakes
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                  104 days ago

                  I can tell, you’d rather argue he’s not a Nazi without discussing his Nazi salute.

                  You don’t give a fuck about freedom of speech.

                • @[email protected]
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                  whether it is ok to label someone a Nazi because you disagree with them.

                  In that case, yes, it’s OK to call a nazi nazi.

                  • The Quuuuuill
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                    43 days ago

                    it’s a very simple concept at the end of the day. a person is their thoughts, words, and actions. elon musk has nazi thoughts, says nazi words, and takes nazi actions. if we can’t agree that musk is a nazi, it means we don’t stand on the common ground of reality. it also increases the likelihood that you’re a nazi a thousand fold.

                    good for you for standing up to this nazi.