The person on the left is carrying bags, the one in orange is a delivery driver and a couple of people are wearing backpacks. Aside from car brained, Damaris is also blind.
Ok so before your anti car brain downvotes this… Read me out.
It’s a legitimate question for cities that do remove most car access, some essential items (fridges for example) do break and they do need to be replaced. A Bike won’t do to transport these types of things (mattress is another example) what’s the solution to this logistics issue?
I’m all for car fucking don’t get me wrong but the image does raise an reasonable question, and i feel it deserves reasonable answers not just ‘fuck you you stupid car brained fuck head’ which is the majority of these comments.
I don’t think car access should ever be completely removed. The way it’s done in most pedestrian/bike areas around here is that trucks (delivery and trash pick up) are all done within a small window of time. Outside of that, no cars are allowed besides the one or two security vehicles that move at walking speed if they even move at all.
See, the way you’re phrasing it is a legitimate question. I notice you didn’t give a smug description of what a road is for and you didn’t continue to point out that bicycles don’t fit all use cases.
To answer the question, there’s a few ways. Some furniture stores rent out cargo bicycles (like IKEA) and inner cities do allow traffic specifically for delivery of goods in a lot of places.
If the above is about the Netherlands then cars are rarely every completely banned. Mostly restricted and trucks for supplying businesses are allowed (although they often have to be low emission if it’s downtown).
The Netherlands does have access for those things. Its the petrolheads who make up that they dont. Otherwise we’d see their cities failing. And there are cargo bikes for many things. My Cousin’s partner rides one thats like a mini boxvan, half electric with a solar panel on the top.
Clearly they’re not bringing the goods, they’re bringing the services. That clown even said it himself. Refers to goods and services then only talks about the goods.
Looks at literally the front bike in the picture…
You can’t just dictate what you believe roads should be for and think everyone should agree with it as fact. Roads are for a lot of things, and even in this guy’s narrow definition, people are goods, in fact they are the most important and valuable goods on the roads.
Yeah, and I mean, even most car traffic doesn’t fit into this ridiculous definition. People take their car to just do recreational stuff all the time.
I mean, holy fuck, how else would you get there than via streets in some fashion? Take the helicopter from your roof?
I took a lawnmower home on my cargo bike (well trike), the box was too long to fit in our car.
And here I thought roads were for people… I’m so silly
Skill issue.
The Dutch absolutely use bikes to carry goods.
I’ve seen people with TVs on their bike. I’ve seen them with multiple crates of beer on the handlebars (kingsnight).
I saw three people on one (regular) bike.
Also these:
You can stack at least 3 crates on the back of the bike if you have a bag carrier, 2 otherwise. Then 1 or 2 on the bar between your legs, and 1 on the steering bar, or 2 if you also have a bag carrier there.
Ebike recommended if they’re full, but it’s way doable when bringing them back to the store.
I’m sure that works well where it’s flat. Try that in a city with tons of hills and you’re gonna have a much harder time.
I live in the very non flat south East of the Netherlands. We still do everything on bike. Groceries, mail, like 4 children while carrying groceries and being on the phone.
Ebikes can take a lot of the pain out of that. They’re very powerful now.
And most cities are very flat.
Yup and if we really NEED to transport big things, sure, we might need a van. But that’s probably a once every once every year thing max.
Who made up that rule lol
A perk of belonging to my city’s bike advocacy group is that you can rent this for no additional charge:
64″ aluminum truss-frame trailer; easily carry a 4×8 sheet of plywood, eight bags of groceries, or whatever else you can fit on it up to 300 lbs; holds 4 plastic tote boxes before stacking
Nosireebob, can’t haul stuff around with that… /s
Trying to persuade the (amazingly) only contractors on the entire planet that think they need a tiny-penis truck because they occasionally need to pick up some wood from Howm Deeepo to ride a bike is like trying to get blood from a stone
My dad has a solid bike trailer. It’s not as big as your group’s one, but he can do about a WinCo shopping cart worth in it. That’s plenty for the vast majority of their household needs.
I’m all for way less cars on the road, but, what do all these people with some form of physical disability that limits their movement abilities? I rarely ever see this brought up in the debate, what form of independent travel can these people use in a carless society that won’t be impeded by their physical issues? Something that gives them the freedom to live their life and not rely on some form of ride sharing experience that takes their freedoms from them?
We can’t leave people behind for a quick solution.
it’s not like a lot of disability that would still allow them drive in the first place, and if they need someone else to get them around, other form factors still work just as well. Just making places walkable will still accomodate mobility devices better than roads for cars anyways.
Mobility scooters, public transport, ect. Because of the overfocus on cars, acessibility is badly neglected and this needs to change.
What about the people that are unable drive a car because of physical or mental disabilities or age? Or the people that are allowed to drive but shouldn’t? There are vastly more of them than people who couldn’t ride a bike but can drive a car.
And yeah, unfortunately getting rid of cars completely is not going to happen, but cars will work so much better when the only people driving are those with no other alternative.
Fuck cars is about using our resources better to improve mobility for all.
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None of this is about total 100% bans on cars, just making the option of not using a car nicer than using one. Even where car bans exist options still exist for delivery vehicles.
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Public transit exists and is often better than driving depending on the disability.
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In the current system we leave behind everyone that can’t afford to buy and maintain a car, which is a staggeringly large number already.
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These morons are insufferable because they don’t believe anything exists outside the frame of the photo. they have worse object permanence to babies
Yeah. That building is probably an office block.
And those guys usually have loading/unloading areas in the back (if not an actual car park).
The right building is a clothing store. There are indeed often back entrances for smaller vans for supplies
i must consume!!!
I think that’s slightly critical of Damaris.
They are asking a question regarding something they do not understand.
It is a true statement that roads are used to transport goods and services.
They then simply ask who in the video is carrying goods and products into stores/homes, and how workers move goods from ports to the stores.
They don’t know how a system like this works when it comes to, for example, stocking a grocery store, because they have not worked or lived in a place with infrastructure like this.
It’s just ad hominem and poor practice to call someone blind when they aren’t familiar with something, particularly when they seem interested in how it works, and works contrary to convincing people of the cause.
If someone has worked with punch cards to program a computer all their life, and someone showed them software written the python programming language and they said:
“But the punch card is so that the computer can read in bytes to know what to do, in this text I don’t see any bytes, there’s nothing telling the computer if this is little endian or big endian, it all looks like a book. How does the text tell the computer what to do?”
Then my response would NOT be “Well the list comprehension here is yielding a range of numbers which are sent to the print function, and this class is acting as a signal handler. Aside from punch card brained, you’re also blind”.
My response would be a very happy opportunity to explain to them the benefits of a modern programming language versus punch cards, and how it works in comparison.
Unless this is a person known to be explicitly anti-bike and pro-car, it is bad to be this critical of them and works in no one’s favor.
It is a true statement that roads are used to transport goods and services.
They then simply ask who in the video is carrying goods and products into stores/homes, and how workers move goods from ports to the stores.
It’s a very simplistic and reductive view of roads, though, in response to a post that specifically mentions another function of roads, namely, facilitating people’s travels as individuals for their own purposes. It’s like you telling someone you like using lemmy because you’ve found communities you enjoy participating in and individuals you like talking to, and they go, “But the internet is for commerce, the buying and selling of goods! Who is selling and who is buying in these instances?”
Your example is overly charitable, in my opinion. Not everyone is being malicious with these sorts of questions, but the person is ignoring some pretty clear context explaining other uses of roads to go attach a strawman. At the very least, it seems like a bad faith argument.
I’m skeptical of all that - surely they understand that roads carry more than just goods and services. It’s such a basic part of society that you’d have to be from another planet to be confused about that and build a whole argument based on it.
Here in São Paulo, services and goods can only be hauled at night, so I guess the argument doesn’t stand in its legs if you think about it a bit.
We’ve got to move these microwave ovens. We’ve got to move these colour TVs.
