Oh. Well I’ve also got this Android tablet…
So mainline it!
Any tips on how to adapt mainline kernel to obscure old devices? I mean, mainline doesn’t have ALL the drivers and something will not work out of the box, p.s i want to mainline “redmi note 4x mtk”, literary NOBODY try it for many years while it’s exact twin but on snapdragon gets updated to this day, so i decided fuck it we ball, I’m gonna do this myself, so I’m searching for sources how to adapt mainline kernel to obscure hardware
Been using andoid since galaxy s2
This is similar to the Can Android phones be considered Linux phones? debate. At some point you’ve walled off and pigeonholed the device or OS enough it becomes something else entirely.
like when they say os x is just linux with a pretty ui. yeah they share a lot of components with bsd but that’s about it.
I would say that both osx and Linux are flavors of Unix, not that macs run Linux.
MacOS is actually the only desktop OS that’s officially a Unix OS (meaning it’s officially certified). The others are mostly mainframe OSes. https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/
Linux is “Unix-like”, but it’s not actually Unix. Linux was inspired by Minix, not by Unix.
People sometimes confuse Unix with POSIX. MacOS is also fully POSIX compliant whereas Linux is mostly POSIX compliant (but don’t think it’s quite 100% especially with newer POSIX standards).
Doesn’t MacOS have more in common with BSD than Linux?
Doesn’t MacOS have more in common with BSD than Linux?
Yes but idiots think that macOS is Linux because they don’t wanna know the distinction to Unix-like.
My brother tried to use his macbook to put spongebob on the TV and it wouldn’t let him due to drm reasons. Don’t let this shit become the new normal. It’s GNU Linux or nothing for me.
*Laughs in Graphene *
Is GrapheneOS that much more like Linux?
I feel like what you are saying is on the same level as installing Termux on a rooted Android phone. There might be some quirks of GrapheneOS I am unaware of though.
IMO orphan kernels are not Linux. If it can’t update with mainline, it is a sterile mule. So no, even as an avid user of Graphene, it is not Linux because google has stollen ownership with an orphaned kernel using proprietary and publicly undocumented hardware.
In this vain, no mobile chipset or radio modem has been FOSS or Linux in a very very long time if ever. Like the last radio that was fully documented was the Atheros stuff, and the last processor to come close to fully documented is the stuff Leah Rowe supports in Libreboot and that is only because of her hacking skills.
It’s just hardened Android, but it still uses the Android kernel, Bionic C Library, etc. They have a custom memory allocator which was based on a port from OpenBSD though.
It’s more that it’s de-googled.
I wouldn’t describe it as Linux, per se, but it is de-googled
I don’t think it’s really relevant then. The argument is more about wanting a traditional Linux experience on mobile phones and Android operating systems (including GrapheneOS) being too far removed from that. Breaking away from Google is more of a possible positive byproduct
Yeah, I don’t think that’s ever really going to work.
As similar as the hardware is, the reality is they’re different interface. One of the things that made windows 8 awful was trying to do both.
Not to mention the kernel for most devices is the only kernel that will run on the hardware and it can’t be mainlined.
Unironically the importance of being GNU/Linux instead of just Linux.
Unironically the importance of being GNU/Linux instead of just Linux.
So Alpine with its musl libc is bad? How about embedded distributions with Busybox instead of GNU userland?
Yes, permissive licensing instead of copyleft is bad. Things like Alpine and Busybox exist mostly to allow corporations to exploit Linux without giving back to the community, build user-hostile Tivoized devices, etc.
user-hostile Tivoized devices
GPLv2 does the same. Linus Torvalds explicitly said he’s fine with that and disapproves the GPLv3 for this very reason.
I guess you use an OS with a GPLv3 kernel then? Hurd?
Alright, you got me. I mainly care about the GPL license and the ability to modify your own devices as you like. But that doesn’t make as good of a one liner.
the ability to modify your own devices as you like
GPLv2 does not mandate that, though. That was the main reason why GPLv3 was written.
I’m on the Linux Kernel and have a terminal that runs Linux apps on my device. That’s pretty Linux-y enough. If you want you can install another distro on a Chromebook.
You could also use Windows Subsystem for Linux.
I don’t think the Chromebook aspect of it matters; it’s just another piece of hardware.
Where can I get these ChromeO’s, are they in the cereal aisle or the canned foods aisle?
I just installed Arch with Wayland and Pipewire & my Chromebook went from barely usable and laggy w/ a Linux VM in it — to running with full fps animations and somehow 3x as many chrome tabs. Also holy shit Pipewire, I didn’t know about this, but Linux has finally and conclusively fixed audio/video routing & is now best in class
So yeah fuck ChromeOS w/ it’s shitty outdated Linux sandbox
Do your self a favor and do not use anything Google. (Hardened FF with DDG, Searx-ng or something not google)
I was wondering if ChromeOS did more than just use a Linux Kernal and turns out most of the behind the scenes stuff is Gentoo. Fascinating.
Nah a lot of improvements have come to the linux ecosystem because of Android/ChromeOS (since they’re just linux distributions, really). Use away.
But its Gentoo right?.. Right?
Are you really running Gentoo if you haven’t put your computer in a fridge?
Install Gentoo with bcachefs and ascend to Linux Valhalla.
I feel like OP has his own definition for “tbh” in this comic, because that doesn’t make any sense.
It’s supposed to be a reply to an existing conversation.
Agreed. This meme is in media res.
Get Linux to become hardcore
Get Linux the brown hedgehog
Get Linux today brother human
I feel like OP has his own definition for “tbh” in this comic, because that doesn’t make any sense.
Brits use “to be honest” as random filler in a sentence that has nothing to do with a statement being right or a lie.
It’s definitely for true stuff. It’s filler but it’s more emphasis than random.
i assume it means something along the lines of “to be honest, i think you should get linux”
yes - it’s an advanced form of dyslexia.
I think that both ChromeOS and Android are Linux. They may not embody a free software mentality, but they are Linux.
Android can be free software but it takes so doing and has limitations
Android can be free software but it takes so doing and has limitations
Just as Linux-libre has limitations. Mainstream Linux is never 100% FOSS.
Android is not really Linux, as has been explained about a bazillion of times. It uses a Linux kernel, doesn’t make it a Linux distribution.
Then what would be needed to make it a Linux distro, instead of “just” a Linux-based OS?
As far as I understand the comment on Wikipedia, Android can be seen as a Linux distribution, but not as a GNU/Linux distribution which we commonly understand as ‘real’ Linux.
Android is a Linux distribution according to the Linux Foundation, Google’s open-source chief Chris DiBona, and several journalists. Others, such as Google engineer Patrick Brady, say that Android is not Linux in the traditional Unix-like Linux distribution sense; Android does not include the GNU C Library (it uses Bionic as an alternative C library) and some other components typically found in Linux distributions.
The Android kernel is a mess (I’m looking at you, hardware vendors)
I use Alpine Linux quite a bit, which is a Linux distro that doesn’t use the GNU coreutils or glibc.
Also even giving GNU such a high level in the name on a distro like Arch makes little sense imo because other components like systemd are arguably much more important than one of many libc libraries you can optionally use and a bunch of coreutils you can also optionally use.
It uses a Linux kernel, doesn’t make it a Linux distribution.
Yes, it does. It’s not a GNU/Linux distribution, though.
i downloaded debian from the microsoft store what more do you want?
That’s Okay. I Don’t Mind At All And I Hope You Do Enjoy My Response That Is In No Way A Silly And Overspecific Attempt To TrOlL Back (jokingly).
i downloaded debian from the microsoft store what more do you want?
Fun fact: You can just as well enable a Debian container on ChromeOS: https://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/developer-library/guides/containers/containers-and-vms/#quickstart
Crouton is available as well if you’re feeling wild
What a time to be alive.
Got a Lenovo Duet 3 with ChromeOS. Had to put it in developer mode to use Fdroid.
To be fair any Android/Android adjacent device needs to be put into dev mode to do anything useful. That’s like saying “I had to turn my MacBook on to use it.”
That’s why the “GNU/” part is important. It’s how you differentiate good Linux from bastardized Linux.
What about Alpine Linux, postmarketOS etc.?
Stay away in general for things that matter, like prod servers, you’ll thank me later. Have fun with tinkering with them!
If you do insist on pushing them out to prod: as part of a container, using your own tightly compiled stuff, try not to link or use the package management
And if you ignore all this advice, congratulations you either become or already are a C and Linux packaging expert!
What about Alpine or Void?
Preach brother
I’m pretty sure, ChromeOS also uses a GNU userland.
Linux user: “I wish 2024 would finally be the year of Linux on the desktop.”
Monkey’s paw: curls
