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Debunk from dev Pierre-Loup Griffais @plagman.bsky.social
“we’ve done pre-release Mesa Vulkan work on every AMD architecture since Vega thanks to them kindly providing hardware, so there’s nothing meaningful to read into there.”
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A new steam link would have been nice
Ya know what’s crazy? I got a Steam link when it became available and it barely worked because my computer and router sucked more than I realized at the time. Then last year someone made a video about it and said how awesome it was and I remembered I had it and plugged it in.
They were right! It still works great, and since I’ve upgraded everything since then, I now know my computer was the bottleneck back then. I’m curious what new features a new Steam link could add to make it worth a whole new device at this point.
The article has been updated, this isn’t true unfortunately.
Instant pre-order for me. Steamdeck has been by far my favorite gaming console but TV performance is only good for low requirement games and I’d love the same experience for proper 4k gaming even if it’s medium fidelity.
Again?
Third time’s the charm. Well, in their case second time was the charm, the steamdeck was such a success that I understand the decision to try out the steam machines idea once again.
If they build it as an actual console rather than the previous thing where anyone could put out a PC, install SteamOS on it, and call it a Steam Machine, then it will probably be genuinely competitive with Xbox. Sure, it’ll still be a standard X86-64 system running Linux, but they need brand control.
Overall, this makes sense. We’ve kind of acted like console gaming is somehow separate from computer gaming because of consoles exclusive monopolies on various titles, but it’s become much clearer over time that it’s actually PC which has been gather exclusive titles by… just… Being easy to develop for with no requirement to port? It looks more and more like we’re seeing PC taking over the gaming space more and more. Hopefully valve can pull this off right.
There are still advantages to a fixed platform like the Steam Deck. It makes a fixed hardware platform to optimize for. Anything that runs on Deck should also run on another PC.
Likewise, a Steam Box that was popular enough would provide a target hardware platform with higher spec.
Most hardware manufacturers will have too high paced a release schedule, so unlikely to provide a stable hardware spec.
Steam Machine 3: This time it’s personal.
Instead of the Electric Boogalo, it’s the Steam Dreamaroo.
Good things come in 3s…
Not at valve they dont
This rumor has been going around for a few months now, mostly because of some commits targeting new unknown hardware to SteamOS afaik.
I hope the rumor is true, I love my steamdeck but something a bit more powerful that allows me to play Steam games in 4k on my TV would be awesome. If they run the same exact OS as on the steamdeck you could even do stuff like ad-free youtube using Firefox.
but something a bit more powerful that allows me to play Steam games in 4k on my TV would be awesome.
I got news for you! You can literally build a computer to do this right now, no need to wait for steam.
I know that. I want something ready to go with a dedicated controller and not fiddle around with components myself that may run too hot or are too noisy etc.
Good news: pre-built PCs are also a thing.
Pre-built PCs come with Windows and are not suited for a console-like experience out of the box like a machine with a preinstalled OS for gaming (whether that be SteamOS, Orbis (PS4/5), Horizon (Nintendo Switch), or Xbox’s OS).
Not everyone is comfortable with installing their own OS/deleting Windows either, regardless of how easy it is.
Something like a Steam Machine 2 can really appeal to console gamers who want to dip their toe into PC gaming while still maintaining a console-like experience.
Yeah I get all of that. I’m just saying if you want to do it, you can, today. And it’s not even terribly complicated.
technically? yes
but don’t act like it’d be the same
aesthetics, build quality, assurance that it’d all work smoothly, the whole experience just wouldn’t be the same
which is to say nothing about the fact that SteamOS doesn’t really work on hardware that’s dissimilar to the steamdeck… if they released a console, one would assume it would have higher specs
aesthetics, build quality, assurance that it’d all work smoothly, the whole experience just wouldn’t be the same
You’re right, it’d probably be way better…and it would be customized to your preferences and price point.
which is to say nothing about the fact that SteamOS doesn’t really work on hardware that’s dissimilar to the steamdeck…
You’re right again, you could use Bazzite or Nobara or Chimera and have an even better experience. Ask me how I know.
I’m pretty sure you can get pre builts that are not Windows.
Steam has big picture mode, and gives the console experience. It’s not really that difficult to install steam on a PC.
Pre-built PCs come with Windows and are not suited for a console-like experience out of the box like a machine with a preinstalled OS for gaming
It isn’t that hard to install Bazzite. Literally the hardest thing to get it working great is finding a prebuilt that uses an AMD graphics card for the driver support.
And I’ve had people that don’t even use PC’s recommend Bazzite to me when I mention Linux. While not everyone knows what it is, you’d be surprised how much word of mouth has spread
Do you want some eggs? I got news for you! You can literally build a chicken shed right now, no need to wait for farmers.
Seriously, the same captain obvious answer all the time when a Steam console is mentioned. It’s infuriating. Consoles exist for a reason, to provide a ready and verified environment for playing games without any fiddling.
Can I build a chicken? That’s the real question…
Please don’t fuck a chicken
Can you build computer parts from scratch?
Please don’t fuck a computer
Sure. First, you have to create a universe…
I would argue that’s no longer the case.
I was a long time console gamer, for exactly the reasons you mentioned- no fiddling. I was time-poor, so I wanted to be able to slip the cartridge/disc in, and just play.
Those days are gone, my friend. I turn my console on less and less. Every time I do, I need to download game updates. But I can’t do that unless I download the system update. I need to sign in to various networks just to be able to do this. Usually with a paid subscription.
There’s also been some arm SoC work by valve, could be they’re gearing up for a new SteamStation, could be that they’re opening up SteamOS for 3rd party manufacturers like Lenovo. Only time will tell.
The ARM SoC work is likely for a VR headset to rival the Meta Quest line. Valve isn’t going to build a console-like PC without an x86 processor in it any time soon until x86 emulators like FEX and Box86 become more advanced and faster.
Undoubtedly, but a girl can dream right?
perhaps, but Apples rosetta2 works great with crossover and games. valve just pulled proton out of nowhere: they might just decide to do the same with a hypothetical x86 translation layer
(although i have heard that rosetta is so good because apple made some fundamental additions to the silicone to make it more x86-like so that translation performance didn’t suffer too much, which valve couldn’t do)
I know this isn’t exactly what you mean, but I use the Remote Play function to stream games from my PC to my living room TV, it works like a charm!
Yup I’ve been doing that as well using nvidia shield but it has become very unstable as of late. Network latency and input lag is also an issue in some games unfortunately.
Ah that’s unfortunate.
To clarify I use my Steam Deck in a third party dock with a LAN-port connected to my TV. I’ve had no issues at all and streamed FF7 Rebirth with 2k resolution and stable 120fps yesterday, no interruptions.
Are you using Steam’s integrated streaming, or Moonlight/Sunshine? The latter has less lag and can handle higher resolutions, but is a pain to set up
I was using Moonlight yes. Might have to give it a go again some time.
The Steam Box is back!
I think I’m part of steam machine’s target market. Games are leisure time. I don’t want to be worrying about processor-graphics cards combos. I don’t want to worry about which game runs, or optimising settings. I want to turn it on and have fun.
Sadly, I’ve been in emulating recently just to get away from micro transactions so I have to spend a lot of time tinkering. First mini pc that flawlessly runs 360/PS3 and is less than £500 I’m getting it.
You’ll have a long way to go on the software side before worrying about hardware
Like you said though, just buy a prebuilt and you’re already there
Like you said though, just buy a prebuilt and you’re already there
As long as Microsoft doesn’t push an update that fucks up your machine, or you don’t boot for a few weeks and have to wait 2 hours for an update…
Even the biggest Steam update takes a fraction of the time of a ‘routine’ Windows update. SteamOS/DeckOS is a huge quality of life upgrade over a desktop.
Linux is the key there.
All your complaints revolve around Windows.
That being said, if you don’t want to fuck with computers any more than necessary, that route won’t be particularly pleasing until Valve can release their OS and Launcher updates, assuming they keep things user friendly.
Linux gaming is leagues better than it was 20 years ago. Still hard to beat a fresh Windows install (key: fresh) and most certainly a console when it comes to ease of use.
I’m a Debian guy but most of the people I know are stuck in the Windows ecosystem because it’s the only one most people know.
Why are you running Windows on any device prebuilt or otherwise?
I’m not but the majority is.
I know. The SER 8 is damn close hardware wise, it could be in budget given a sale/voucher/what not. RetroGameCorps - mini pc spreadsheet
I can start at ps1 to give emulators time to catch up.
You should buy a console then
Xbone was my last console purchase and I considered it terrible value for money. AAA games aren’t generally worth looking at due to their monetisation strategies. Console wars are anti-consumer. Indy titles, what I mostly play don’t have the same availability. Steam workshop has no equivalent on console. Multilayer is a paid addition, not that multiplayer is worth it because the multiplayer games have the worst monetisation strategies. I could go on.
But you’re right, that’s what I want, a Steam Machine.
I have a console and still play most games on the steamdeck. A lot is portability, but other times it’s what games are on PC vs Consoles.
I run Bazzite HTPC Version on my gaming rig, i would consider this the best console experience nowadays. A huge amount of games, no need to rebuy games i allready owned on a previous PC and most games run out of the box just fine.
Is that a distro or launcher? Im switching to PC gaming and Im interested in your set up.
Its a distro. An alternative for Bazzite could be ChimeraOS
This could be nice for folks that want a console-like living room experience that “just works”.
Me? I built a Linux HTPC a dozen years ago and have periodically updated the graphics card (it gets the hand-me-downs from my main gaming PC) so I don’t need this. I’m far more interested in a Steam Controller 2 😄
I built a Linux HTPC like a month ago. I tried a couple of different distros, mainly because the Xbox controller (that I bought new) didn’t work with any distro. The Playstation one works perfectly, but that Xbox mf is a lost cause (I’m going to change it for a tattoo lmao, and save for another Playstation controller).
At the end, I landed on Bazzite distro and is working fine. The KDE plasma interface is really good (after like 10 years with Linux mint cinnamon, the plasma feel like I’m in the future)
On Fedora using a wireless Xbox one controller with absolutely no issues.
Don’t know why it works for some people and others not. If you look around for fixes is just a bunch of people asking for help and others answering that it worked fine for them.
Huh? Im using an xbox controller on my kubuntu for steam. alas connection only works wired, bluetooth is unusable for me. Give your controller one last chance ♥️
Nah, that controller problem had perfect time. I was trying to find a excuse to go to Rio during carnival and our tattoo artist friend said that he take the controller in exchange for a tattoo so I have no alternative that to go to Rio during carnival to make the exchange.
That’s a bummer, because I was considering the same thing and was wondering what Xbox controller support would be on Linux.
I already had a ps4 controller (worked ok on Linux mint and perfectly with Bazzite), but wanted a second one to play with my wife, and I have seen people using Xbox controllers on Linux so I supposed it was “plug and play”, but not! You first need to connect it to an Xbox or a Windows PC to update the controller firmware (I don’t have any of those, had to ask my neighbor to update the controller on his PC). After this, the controller was supposed to work but it didn’t. This is were I learned that xbox controllers don’t use the standard Bluetooth protocol but a proprietary one.
This is were I learned that xbox controllers don’t use the standard Bluetooth protocol but a proprietary one.
Is there a source for this? I play a few time vampire games on my iPad and use my xbox controller BT paired with it just fine. Haven’t had a single issue in a year or so.
I had no problem with the controller on my android phone neither (test it like that to check if wasn’t the controller broke), but couldn’t make it work on any distro (tried an Arch distribution don’t remember the name, linux mint, fedora and bazzite (fedora based)).
Ugh, tell me about it!!!
Those SC2 leaks happened a while ago but we’ve still to hear anything official about it at all, sure hope they haven’t scrapped it…
And why not? That’s all consoles are, now. Do you want the blue AMD laptop, or the green AMD laptop?
Something something steam link…
I’m not the target for such device, I play on my PC and on the Deck when on the couch. But I wish the rumor is true, it will boost PC gaming as a whole
What would make me happy is a way smoother experience with game streaming. With moonlight/sunshine I’ve found it works incredibly well - when it does. I always ran into issues with resolution setting, windows lock screen, power on power off etc. I mean, I’m sure I could figure it out over time but I’m way to lazy, I don’t have time to tinker with that. I just want it to work.
If I could sit on my couch and have a cool and quiet steam deck streaming off my PC in the other room, that would be sweet.
Playing games in 4k on your TV with surround sound is superior to playing on a steam deck
Agree, but when I playing like that i prefer on my PC, on the couch I prefer to play more chill games while my partner watches her favorites shows on the TV, that was kinda the reason for me to get the Deck in the first place.
I get that for sure
Ok. And how much will it cost?
Likely more than consoles which are usually sold at a loss.
I think the steamdeck is either sold at cost or at a loss too. Based on This article and others like it, Gaben says the price is a bit “painful” for valve.
