• Doofus Magoo
        link
        fedilink
        English
        34
        edit-2
        6 months ago

        States can establish religions. Federal government can’t.

        Over the last 150 years, the Supreme Court has pretty consistently found that the Bill of Rights applies to state as well as federal government: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorporation_of_the_Bill_of_Rights

        See especially https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everson_v._Board_of_Education:

        Everson v. Board of Education … was a landmark decision of the United States Supreme Court that applied the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to state law.

        • @[email protected]
          link
          fedilink
          English
          -136 months ago

          Mandatory “one nation under god” pledge in school classes disagrees that religion cannot be established.

          • @[email protected]
            link
            fedilink
            English
            206 months ago

            The pledge isn’t mandatory. By law, it has to be optional. Schools have gotten in trouble over it.

            • Flying Squid
              link
              fedilink
              English
              106 months ago

              Don’t bother. Every time you point out they say something that isn’t true, they change the subject.

            • @[email protected]
              link
              fedilink
              English
              -12
              edit-2
              6 months ago

              There are so many cases of promoting Christianity by the US government, a few cherrypicked cases of “trouble” doesn’t disprove any of this.

              • “As a matter of historical tradition, the words ‘under God’ can no more be expunged from the national consciousness than the words ‘In God We Trust’ from every coin in the land, than the words ‘so help me God’ from every presidential oath since 1789, or than the prayer that has opened every congressional session of legislative business since 1787.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance#Legal_challenges

              Also, the US print religious indoctrination on their currency: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust

              • @[email protected]
                link
                fedilink
                English
                76 months ago

                I’m not arguing for religion to be in school. I’m just saying what’s there is already bad enough without making stuff up.

          • @[email protected]
            link
            fedilink
            English
            26 months ago

            Its also said “with liberty and justice for all” during a time where people kept literal slaves, without a hint of irony.

            The wording far too inconsistent and vague to be taken as literally as you’re attempting to take them.

      • Flying Squid
        link
        fedilink
        English
        176 months ago

        That’s not how it works. State law can’t supersede federal law.

        • @[email protected]
          link
          fedilink
          English
          -136 months ago

          State law can’t supersede federal law.

          And Congress cannot pass laws on that. Constitution says so.

          • Flying Squid
            link
            fedilink
            English
            106 months ago

            That is an extremely narrow view of the First Amendment that goes against over two centuries of judicial precedent. Only a Clarence Thomas-level originalist would make such an argument.

            • @[email protected]
              link
              fedilink
              English
              -136 months ago

              That is an extremely narrow view of the First Amendment that goes against over two centuries of judicial precedent.

              Mandatory “one nation under god” pledge in school classes proves that establishing religion in the US is fine.