We spent six hours playing a recent build of Judas, the next game from BioShock creator Ken Levine, followed by a lengthy conversation with the renowned game designer to discuss the long wait since BioShock Infinite, bringing the "narrative LEGOs" concept to life in Judas, what the game is all about, and much more.
so Bioshock in Space without the original licence or story? I think I’ll pass on this. Bioshock 1 was lightning in a bottle and an amazing game but the rest of the series was never able to reach the same heights and Infinite was really bad in my oppinion so that even the story and the scenery couldn’t save it for me.
Infinite was fucking great. I remeber feeling really immersed in the game and the story. It had super weird and dark theme which had me gripped. Oh Booker and Elizabeth, I miss you.
People seem to forget that Elizabeth was one of the first companions in video game history where she wasn’t this immediate liability that you had to protect harder than protecting yourself. It was a excellent gameplay choice to make her invincible, so you could focus on Booker’s own health and the enemies, but she was also useful, tossing you items and finding rifts to open. Even her interactions made it felt like she was a proper companion and not this misogynistic damsel-in-distress stereotype.
AI of Elisabeth was laughable compared to games like The Last of Us
Having played both, I can’t say I understand the differences here. Do you mind elaborating? I found Elisabeth a lot more helpful than Elie and to be honest, I can’t remember Elie having any impact on my gameplay off the top of my head.
Having played both, I can’t say I understand the differences here. Do you mind elaborating? I found Elisabeth a lot more helpful than Elie and to be honest, I can’t remember Elie having any impact on my gameplay off the top of my head.
Quiet the opposite for me. Keep in mind I played it on the PS3 so its been a long time ago, but I remember that the enemys blatantly ignored her, that she did not fight at all and she constantly gave you ammo or health so it made the whole game pretty easy.
Elli on the other hand was really grounded in the gameplay, the animations, she fought back and also got attacked by the enemy. I just found her much more useful and real and I remember that I was quiet shocked about Elisabeth’s basic AI in Infinite
The enemies ignored both of them. Allegedly, anyway. I know when I played The Last of Us at launch, there were times that enemies saw me when I thought I was perfectly hidden while Ellie was out in the middle of no man’s land. In both cases, the enemy AI ignored these other characters because A) escort missions have never been fun, and B) it slowly builds a reason for you, the player, to grow attached to these characters when they help you. You feel the resource deficit in Infinite when Ellie’s not there to throw them to you. Both games did basically come up with the same gimmick in the same year.
Prey should have been called Neuroshock. Yes it’s basically bioshock in space. Even down to the wrench.
I slept on Prey for ages and eventually worked up the motivation to play past the intro and it was such an experience I immediately did a second playthrough. It’s legitimately one of my favourite games. Heartbreaking that it didn’t perform well.
How long until you get out of the section with mimic enemies? Because when that game launched, that was all I saw in footage of the opening hours, and I wasn’t interested in that.
The mimics are there throughout the entire game. However about 1-2 hours in you get a piece of equipment that lets you detect shapeshifted mimics before you get close. You start encountering non-mimics pretty early on though. Once you get out into the lobby you get some variety in enemies which is pretty early on.
so Bioshock in Space without the original licence or story? I think I’ll pass on this. Bioshock 1 was lightning in a bottle and an amazing game but the rest of the series was never able to reach the same heights and Infinite was really bad in my oppinion so that even the story and the scenery couldn’t save it for me.
I thought infinite was the best one
Infinite was fucking great. I remeber feeling really immersed in the game and the story. It had super weird and dark theme which had me gripped. Oh Booker and Elizabeth, I miss you.
I was very very surprised to have a companion that wasn’t obnoxious to escort.
People seem to forget that Elizabeth was one of the first companions in video game history where she wasn’t this immediate liability that you had to protect harder than protecting yourself. It was a excellent gameplay choice to make her invincible, so you could focus on Booker’s own health and the enemies, but she was also useful, tossing you items and finding rifts to open. Even her interactions made it felt like she was a proper companion and not this misogynistic damsel-in-distress stereotype.
Most people seem to like the third one, which I never understood.
Having played both, I can’t say I understand the differences here. Do you mind elaborating? I found Elisabeth a lot more helpful than Elie and to be honest, I can’t remember Elie having any impact on my gameplay off the top of my head.
Quiet the opposite for me. Keep in mind I played it on the PS3 so its been a long time ago, but I remember that the enemys blatantly ignored her, that she did not fight at all and she constantly gave you ammo or health so it made the whole game pretty easy.
Elli on the other hand was really grounded in the gameplay, the animations, she fought back and also got attacked by the enemy. I just found her much more useful and real and I remember that I was quiet shocked about Elisabeth’s basic AI in Infinite
The enemies ignored both of them. Allegedly, anyway. I know when I played The Last of Us at launch, there were times that enemies saw me when I thought I was perfectly hidden while Ellie was out in the middle of no man’s land. In both cases, the enemy AI ignored these other characters because A) escort missions have never been fun, and B) it slowly builds a reason for you, the player, to grow attached to these characters when they help you. You feel the resource deficit in Infinite when Ellie’s not there to throw them to you. Both games did basically come up with the same gimmick in the same year.
I disagree to that. Ellie got permanently attacked by the AI, in Bioshock she is blatantly ignored.
Sure, Ellie got attacked in much the same way that professional wrestlers are in a fight. It wasn’t really material to your success or survival.
Wasn’t Prey basically BioShock in space? It felt like that to me (at least the first level I bumbled through before the game crashed and I gave up).
Prey should have been called Neuroshock. Yes it’s basically bioshock in space. Even down to the wrench.
I slept on Prey for ages and eventually worked up the motivation to play past the intro and it was such an experience I immediately did a second playthrough. It’s legitimately one of my favourite games. Heartbreaking that it didn’t perform well.
How long until you get out of the section with mimic enemies? Because when that game launched, that was all I saw in footage of the opening hours, and I wasn’t interested in that.
The mimics are there throughout the entire game. However about 1-2 hours in you get a piece of equipment that lets you detect shapeshifted mimics before you get close. You start encountering non-mimics pretty early on though. Once you get out into the lobby you get some variety in enemies which is pretty early on.
Prey is worth playing all the way through.
They’re still under Take Two. If they wanted it to be BioShock proper, it would be. Personally, I loved Infinite.