I get what you’re saying but agree with the other guy. Just saying brother’s ink or toner is first party instantly makes it sound like other brands are inferior. Just because you’re intelligent enough to know that’s not true doesn’t mean everyone is. If recent history has taught me anything, it’s that the average person is far less intelligent than you’d assume.
Just saying brother’s ink or toner is first party instantly makes it sound like other brands are inferior.
No, it doesn’t. Saying third party just means not manufactured by first party, first party being printer manufacturer.
Would you not buy Baldurs Gate 3 cause it’s a third party game? Would you not buy Call of Duty because it’s a third party game? Do you pay more for gas at ExxonMobil, because Costco sells third party gas for cheaper?
You buy third party all the time. Saying third party sounds bad is just stupid.
Would you rather call it “official” or “certified” or “genuine” toner cartridges? Because that sounds worse to me.
I mean, they really do need some way to differentiate their product from others. Because they do guarantee that their cartridge works with their printer (and customers would hold them accountable if they did not). They really can’t guarantee that with any others. (simply because they didn’t design the others, haven’t tested them, and have no power to change them if there was a problem. All of which is perfectly reasonable)
This is the kind of stupidity that has us reinventing language constantly. Words mean what they mean. To hell with how they make you feel. BLACKLIST WHITELIST 😲 The horror!
feelings are important, though? if i can avoid hurting someone and all it costs me is saying blocklist instead of blacklist, that seems like an obvious slam dunk
Your feelings are yours to manage. You say why hurt someone when you can avoid it. I say why get hurt in the first place? Everyone has feelings about everything. No feeling is any more valid than any other feeling.
Exactly. Don’t go out of your way to hurt others, and don’t go out of your way to be hurt. It has nothing to do with race, and it has been used for hundreds of years.
If someone gets fired while sunburnt, should they be offended by the term “pink slip”? No, that’s ridiculous, because the color in the terminology has nothing to do with race. That’s exactly the same with blacklist and whitelist.
Now, if there was a racist underpinning there, I’d understand pushing for terminology changes. But there isn’t, so stop finding new ways to be offended.
You know what I never understood? When someone says “I’m offended by that,” society generally accepts that as valid. But if I say “I’m offended that you’re offended.” That’s somehow invalid.
As if I cannot have an emotional reaction to being misunderstood or misinterpreted. People just assume bad faith and contrarian behavior instead of trying to figure out where the other person is coming from.
And I think if we have a more open dialog, we’d fix so many more issues than tip-toeing around whatever we think could be a sensitive issue.
I like how Louis Rossmann puts it (quote taken from his colleague), “if you’re gonna be the bitch, be the whole bitch.” Which means if you’re going to disagree/complain about something, be extremely clear about it. That way, the other party has a chance to fix whatever the problem is instead of one side assuming the other is a jerk or temperamental or something. Understanding comes through communication, and bluntness is usually better than beating around the bush.
Absolutely! But, then again I’m neurodivergent so me not understanding the inefficiency in societal trends and communication is just… Life for me.
I think my entire lens through which I view reality is governed by efficiency. Which makes me blunt, to the point, no filter. But even those who know me well still took a long time to learn that I just say what I think, and there’s no additional unspoken thoughts behind it, and had to work hard to stop projecting onto me. But that’s why I love them deeply.
Makes sense. I don’t think I’m neurodivergent, or at least I haven’t been tested nor have I had any significant reason to think I should. That said, I have neurodivergent friends, and I really appreciate them when they’re blunt about things. I had a roommate who approached me at the start saying, “I’ve been diagnosed w/ Aspergers so I struggle with social cues. Is it okay if I ask for help interpreting social situations?” That was awesome, and I wish neuro-typical people would be similarly upfront, like, “e.g. I don’t like how you did X last week, it made me feel Y.” That gives me a chance to explain or apologize X, which hopefully addresses Y.
Say what you think, and hopefully you’re proven wrong about some negative assumptions. It’s uncomfortable and hard, I get it, but I think living w/ uncertainty is even more uncomfortable.
I get what you’re saying but agree with the other guy. Just saying brother’s ink or toner is first party instantly makes it sound like other brands are inferior. Just because you’re intelligent enough to know that’s not true doesn’t mean everyone is. If recent history has taught me anything, it’s that the average person is far less intelligent than you’d assume.
No, it doesn’t. Saying third party just means not manufactured by first party, first party being printer manufacturer.
Would you not buy Baldurs Gate 3 cause it’s a third party game? Would you not buy Call of Duty because it’s a third party game? Do you pay more for gas at ExxonMobil, because Costco sells third party gas for cheaper?
You buy third party all the time. Saying third party sounds bad is just stupid.
Exactly! The difference with third party is that the manufacturer won’t test it, so you’re relying on the third party to verify that it works.
Would you rather call it “official” or “certified” or “genuine” toner cartridges? Because that sounds worse to me.
I mean, they really do need some way to differentiate their product from others. Because they do guarantee that their cartridge works with their printer (and customers would hold them accountable if they did not). They really can’t guarantee that with any others. (simply because they didn’t design the others, haven’t tested them, and have no power to change them if there was a problem. All of which is perfectly reasonable)
This is the kind of stupidity that has us reinventing language constantly. Words mean what they mean. To hell with how they make you feel. BLACKLIST WHITELIST 😲 The horror!
feelings are important, though? if i can avoid hurting someone and all it costs me is saying blocklist instead of blacklist, that seems like an obvious slam dunk
Your feelings are yours to manage. You say why hurt someone when you can avoid it. I say why get hurt in the first place? Everyone has feelings about everything. No feeling is any more valid than any other feeling.
Exactly. Don’t go out of your way to hurt others, and don’t go out of your way to be hurt. It has nothing to do with race, and it has been used for hundreds of years.
If someone gets fired while sunburnt, should they be offended by the term “pink slip”? No, that’s ridiculous, because the color in the terminology has nothing to do with race. That’s exactly the same with blacklist and whitelist.
Now, if there was a racist underpinning there, I’d understand pushing for terminology changes. But there isn’t, so stop finding new ways to be offended.
You know what I never understood? When someone says “I’m offended by that,” society generally accepts that as valid. But if I say “I’m offended that you’re offended.” That’s somehow invalid.
As if I cannot have an emotional reaction to being misunderstood or misinterpreted. People just assume bad faith and contrarian behavior instead of trying to figure out where the other person is coming from.
And I think if we have a more open dialog, we’d fix so many more issues than tip-toeing around whatever we think could be a sensitive issue.
I like how Louis Rossmann puts it (quote taken from his colleague), “if you’re gonna be the bitch, be the whole bitch.” Which means if you’re going to disagree/complain about something, be extremely clear about it. That way, the other party has a chance to fix whatever the problem is instead of one side assuming the other is a jerk or temperamental or something. Understanding comes through communication, and bluntness is usually better than beating around the bush.
Absolutely! But, then again I’m neurodivergent so me not understanding the inefficiency in societal trends and communication is just… Life for me.
I think my entire lens through which I view reality is governed by efficiency. Which makes me blunt, to the point, no filter. But even those who know me well still took a long time to learn that I just say what I think, and there’s no additional unspoken thoughts behind it, and had to work hard to stop projecting onto me. But that’s why I love them deeply.
Makes sense. I don’t think I’m neurodivergent, or at least I haven’t been tested nor have I had any significant reason to think I should. That said, I have neurodivergent friends, and I really appreciate them when they’re blunt about things. I had a roommate who approached me at the start saying, “I’ve been diagnosed w/ Aspergers so I struggle with social cues. Is it okay if I ask for help interpreting social situations?” That was awesome, and I wish neuro-typical people would be similarly upfront, like, “e.g. I don’t like how you did X last week, it made me feel Y.” That gives me a chance to explain or apologize X, which hopefully addresses Y.
Say what you think, and hopefully you’re proven wrong about some negative assumptions. It’s uncomfortable and hard, I get it, but I think living w/ uncertainty is even more uncomfortable.