Also a lot decided to not vote at all. That’s really what sank us. Only 63% of eligible voters voted, and of the popular vote, trump won 49.8%. So basically 1/3 of Americans actively elected trump, and whoever in the remaining ~40% that decided to not at least vote against trump ensured we got him.
This is not strictly true, even if it’s repeated a lot. Because of our voting system, a large number of people likely didn’t vote because they didn’t need to vote. For instance, you pretty much know how things will end up in California or Idaho even before the votes are tallied. People who didn’t vote in swing states on the other hand…
Because of our voting system, a large number of people likely didn’t vote because they didn’t need to vote.
Sadly, many people think they only need to vote for Presidents, so you are probably right, although it’s that they felt they didn’t need to vote…even though down-ballot probably matters just as much.
Yeah, obv state and local elections are very important as well, although in some cases even those elections don’t really require people to vote due to district composition. Generally, I agree with you though. I was mainly pointing out that the popular vote for the presidential election basically does not matter.
My entire point was that the popular vote basically does not matter (and tbh shouldn’t matter since FPTP is terrible, although the EC is also terrible), so you saying that Trump being elected because people didn’t vote isn’t necessarily the issue here. Even if literally everyone in the country voted, as long as the states ended up the same way, Trump would still have won.
You’re not listening. I can’t tell of you’re being obstinate or just trying to force a different perspective to make yourself right or something.
The entire point of the conversation is Americans, not electoral votes, therefore the popular vote, those who voted, and those who did not vote are the germane factors to the discussion. The EC is not relevant in this context.
A lot of us didn’t.
Also a lot decided to not vote at all. That’s really what sank us. Only 63% of eligible voters voted, and of the popular vote, trump won 49.8%. So basically 1/3 of Americans actively elected trump, and whoever in the remaining ~40% that decided to not at least vote against trump ensured we got him.
This is not strictly true, even if it’s repeated a lot. Because of our voting system, a large number of people likely didn’t vote because they didn’t need to vote. For instance, you pretty much know how things will end up in California or Idaho even before the votes are tallied. People who didn’t vote in swing states on the other hand…
Sadly, many people think they only need to vote for Presidents, so you are probably right, although it’s that they felt they didn’t need to vote…even though down-ballot probably matters just as much.
Yeah, obv state and local elections are very important as well, although in some cases even those elections don’t really require people to vote due to district composition. Generally, I agree with you though. I was mainly pointing out that the popular vote for the presidential election basically does not matter.
Yes. Well said.
Strongly disagree. There’s local shit to vote for, which usually has a much more direct impact on the average voters’ day to day.
Nothing I said is untrue, strictly or otherwise.
https://www.cfr.org/article/2024-election-numbers
I did not get into the debate about the EC because the discussion is about the people that voted or did not vote for trump, not how he won.
My entire point was that the popular vote basically does not matter (and tbh shouldn’t matter since FPTP is terrible, although the EC is also terrible), so you saying that Trump being elected because people didn’t vote isn’t necessarily the issue here. Even if literally everyone in the country voted, as long as the states ended up the same way, Trump would still have won.
You’re not listening. I can’t tell of you’re being obstinate or just trying to force a different perspective to make yourself right or something.
The entire point of the conversation is Americans, not electoral votes, therefore the popular vote, those who voted, and those who did not vote are the germane factors to the discussion. The EC is not relevant in this context.
Whose votes lead to the EC results? Americans. The arbitrary distinction you are trying to make here is ridiculous.
Obstinacy. Got it.
Your original comment said: “Also a lot decided to not vote at all. That’s really what sank us.”
Clearly, the popular vote is not what sank us. The one trying to argue something different so you’d win the argument is you.