And the most annoying part is that this is incredibly fcking useless. Wooly mammoths went extinct for a reason. Large animals are becoming less and less evolutionary preferred. Wooly mammoths are adjusted for the cold while our globe is warming.
Can we just use our fcking resources for things that matter???
You’re using the same logic my dad uses to rail against going to Mars. He says there is no worthwhile reason to go there when more pressing matters on earth are in abundance.
Just like you, he is missing the forest for the trees, angrily ignorant to the fact that the knowledge you gained from trying to achieve a seemingly worthless achievement is the actual value, not in the achievement itself.
The achievement is just a convenient goal to make the science more exciting to the general public so as to garner more financial support from both private and government sources. Each of the steps needed to gain that achievement may not have gained as much funding as they do now if they were presented separately from that final goal.
When your house is on fire you don’t start looking for package holidays to Pompeii, no matter how much you might learn. We have all the knowledge we need to avert the climate crisis, we just need action and resources dedicated to fixing it.
I was being sarcastic, I don’t want bio-engineered humans adapted for extreme heat, I want us to not let our planet get to that point in the first place.
It’s not going to happen. Genetic experiments on humans is banned in many countries and even if that weren’t the case you’re talking about an enormously expensive social program of intervening in an entire generation at conception. Maybe a few billionaires would do it, but they can afford to live comfortably anyway and they don’t care if a few serfs die of heat exhaustion.
You’ll find that we have a lot of people on this planet, we can multitask. We can research genetic engineering, and green energy, and medical technology, and recycling processes, as well as things that don’t advance those immediate goals, like microprocessors, meta materials, superconductors, astrophysics, geology, mathematics, etc.
When your house will be burning for the next few hundred years and you still have to live in it because even on fire it’s the best house around, maybe just get on with your life and do something productive? Perhaps some of us can move out eventually, but it would take a lot of research in a lot of different fields, probably even genetics…
Something like learning to make perfect custom designed edits to genes, such abilities could easily save hundreds of millions when the next major plague or crop blight hits. We’ll definitely find ways to make hardier crops, that can survive harsher climates. Who knows, we could get so good at it that we could afford to just strengthen every species we can find with genes to help them survive the rapidly changing world, at least for long enough for us to turn things around. Maybe we could design lichens or mosses that could grow on Mars, adding oxygen to the atmosphere. Maybe we could learn to do even more impactful things that I can’t even think of right now (since I’m not even a biologist).
And maybe, just maybe, genetics isn’t even the only field that could turn out to be extraordinarily important to survival in the future. Maybe we should continue to pursue every field of science and engineering… Because fucking obviously we should.
So why mammoths? Why not? Bringing back the mammoth is just a bit of problem solving, it’s an exercise with a tangible goal.
We already do genetic modification for crops and disease research, bringing back mammoth lookalikes won’t help with that. There is no problem being solved here, the only end goal is chasing headlines to be able to say ‘we brought back mammoths’. It’s a pointless egotistical endeavour that helps no-one.
Yeah, as I recall they’re actually really important to the ecology of Madagascar. A native species of tree simply doesn’t grow without them. And without those trees, well you can imagine that affects a lot of things.
Not really, we humans killed most big land animals that we found as we expanded our territory, back when we were hunters. This happened in big “islands” like Australia and Madagascar, as well as all the small islands. There, large animals had lived in equilibrium for centuries, and their extinction matches some short time after humans arrived.
An exception are the galapago islands, as they were discovered in the 19th century.
And to recreate the species they’d need hundreds of them from different genetic material. Which means they’ll likely create a single one that will eventually die and costed billions of dollars.
Besides the fact that the hunting hypothesis is that; a hypothesis, there’s a lot of other factors as to why it isn’t a good idea. Mainly, ohh idk… The fact that they have had no place in nature in over tens of thousands of years? Even if we managed to create an artificial habitat and role in an ecosystem for them, they would be very vulnerable due to megafauna’s increased minimum land requirements because of their size and in danger constantly due to climate change.
And the most annoying part is that this is incredibly fcking useless. Wooly mammoths went extinct for a reason. Large animals are becoming less and less evolutionary preferred. Wooly mammoths are adjusted for the cold while our globe is warming.
Can we just use our fcking resources for things that matter???
You’re using the same logic my dad uses to rail against going to Mars. He says there is no worthwhile reason to go there when more pressing matters on earth are in abundance.
Just like you, he is missing the forest for the trees, angrily ignorant to the fact that the knowledge you gained from trying to achieve a seemingly worthless achievement is the actual value, not in the achievement itself.
The achievement is just a convenient goal to make the science more exciting to the general public so as to garner more financial support from both private and government sources. Each of the steps needed to gain that achievement may not have gained as much funding as they do now if they were presented separately from that final goal.
When your house is on fire you don’t start looking for package holidays to Pompeii, no matter how much you might learn. We have all the knowledge we need to avert the climate crisis, we just need action and resources dedicated to fixing it.
What do you want the geneticists to do? They are educated in their domain, you can’t just plop them into another field
The applications of their work is likely plenty in medicine and bioengineering
I want them to stop pretending that resurrecting a cold adapted species into an ecosystem that is rapidly melting will do anything productive.
If they want to be helpful they can work out how to engineer humans that can survive 40 degree heat and breathe co2.
Maybe this is a step forward that direction? I mean I doubt poor prime will ever access it, even if that is what they’re doing.
No, fluffy mice is not a step in the direction of heat adapted humans.
That’s what they’re fucking doing by bringing back the mammoth…
They’ll run when they’re ready, but right now they’re learning to crawl. Or to put it differently, let them cook.
I was being sarcastic, I don’t want bio-engineered humans adapted for extreme heat, I want us to not let our planet get to that point in the first place.
Well that’s great and all, but what if that doesn’t happen? Would you rather be dead or living comfortably in a warmer climate?
It’s not going to happen. Genetic experiments on humans is banned in many countries and even if that weren’t the case you’re talking about an enormously expensive social program of intervening in an entire generation at conception. Maybe a few billionaires would do it, but they can afford to live comfortably anyway and they don’t care if a few serfs die of heat exhaustion.
Drought resistant crops, heat resistant corals, and rot resistant bamboo, please.
You’ll find that we have a lot of people on this planet, we can multitask. We can research genetic engineering, and green energy, and medical technology, and recycling processes, as well as things that don’t advance those immediate goals, like microprocessors, meta materials, superconductors, astrophysics, geology, mathematics, etc.
When your house will be burning for the next few hundred years and you still have to live in it because even on fire it’s the best house around, maybe just get on with your life and do something productive? Perhaps some of us can move out eventually, but it would take a lot of research in a lot of different fields, probably even genetics…
Something productive like finding a fire extinguisher, or productive like recreating fluffy elephants into an ecosystem that no longer exists?
Something like learning to make perfect custom designed edits to genes, such abilities could easily save hundreds of millions when the next major plague or crop blight hits. We’ll definitely find ways to make hardier crops, that can survive harsher climates. Who knows, we could get so good at it that we could afford to just strengthen every species we can find with genes to help them survive the rapidly changing world, at least for long enough for us to turn things around. Maybe we could design lichens or mosses that could grow on Mars, adding oxygen to the atmosphere. Maybe we could learn to do even more impactful things that I can’t even think of right now (since I’m not even a biologist).
And maybe, just maybe, genetics isn’t even the only field that could turn out to be extraordinarily important to survival in the future. Maybe we should continue to pursue every field of science and engineering… Because fucking obviously we should.
So why mammoths? Why not? Bringing back the mammoth is just a bit of problem solving, it’s an exercise with a tangible goal.
We already do genetic modification for crops and disease research, bringing back mammoth lookalikes won’t help with that. There is no problem being solved here, the only end goal is chasing headlines to be able to say ‘we brought back mammoths’. It’s a pointless egotistical endeavour that helps no-one.
Dang I guess me and your father would rly vibe then because I feel the same about colonizing Mars
Me too. And mining the moon.
Yeah, bring back the passenger pigeon! We need more pigeons! Do something that’ll make a difference already!
Also, can we get some dodos up in here? Where all my dumb birds at?
Jokes on you, bringing back dodos is an objectively better idea 😎
Yeah, as I recall they’re actually really important to the ecology of Madagascar. A native species of tree simply doesn’t grow without them. And without those trees, well you can imagine that affects a lot of things.
Not really, we humans killed most big land animals that we found as we expanded our territory, back when we were hunters. This happened in big “islands” like Australia and Madagascar, as well as all the small islands. There, large animals had lived in equilibrium for centuries, and their extinction matches some short time after humans arrived. An exception are the galapago islands, as they were discovered in the 19th century.
And to recreate the species they’d need hundreds of them from different genetic material. Which means they’ll likely create a single one that will eventually die and costed billions of dollars.
Besides the fact that the hunting hypothesis is that; a hypothesis, there’s a lot of other factors as to why it isn’t a good idea. Mainly, ohh idk… The fact that they have had no place in nature in over tens of thousands of years? Even if we managed to create an artificial habitat and role in an ecosystem for them, they would be very vulnerable due to megafauna’s increased minimum land requirements because of their size and in danger constantly due to climate change.
Nobody cares about wooly mammoths. This is a test of gene editing techniques that can eradicate genetic diseases.
Then call it what it is