you’ve had 60. it doesn’t matter. what you need is to vote local and in primaries. you can’t keep letting the party establishment rot take hold and hope it will lead to change in the general elections.
yeah really, idk whay that is but a table only gives you a snapshot. 111th congress I believe had at one time majorities in both houses, and a 60-40, including the democratic caucusing independents.
But when the 111th congress voted on Public Option Healthcare it came up 1 vote short because the Caucusing Independent Joe Liebermen voted Nay alongside every republican.
They effectively didn’t have 60, despite the caucus.
yeah that’s exactly my point, hence my original comment about general election majority not meaning anything without voting for actual progressives if not leftists in primaries
that’s distinction without difference. Bernie is independent, Sinema and Manchin were democrats. getting democratic seats no matter who it is won’t change anything.
it doesn’t, i repeated the same thing. you can’t vote harder in general elections to make change without voting local and in primaries for actual progressives first. let’s see if someone gets confused again so I can rephrase the same thing a fourth time
you’ve had 60. it doesn’t matter. what you need is to vote local and in primaries. you can’t keep letting the party establishment rot take hold and hope it will lead to change in the general elections.
When was that?
when Obama was elected. democrats had the presidency, the house and senate, with a supermajority. guess what they did with it: dick.
Oh, really?
yeah really, idk whay that is but a table only gives you a snapshot. 111th congress I believe had at one time majorities in both houses, and a 60-40, including the democratic caucusing independents.
But when the 111th congress voted on Public Option Healthcare it came up 1 vote short because the Caucusing Independent Joe Liebermen voted Nay alongside every republican.
They effectively didn’t have 60, despite the caucus.
yeah that’s exactly my point, hence my original comment about general election majority not meaning anything without voting for actual progressives if not leftists in primaries
Every DNC voted Yay for actual progressive policy.
I’m saying we need to put 60 of them in the Senate, and you made some stupid point about how 58 of them is basically 60.
that’s distinction without difference. Bernie is independent, Sinema and Manchin were democrats. getting democratic seats no matter who it is won’t change anything.
Your point seems to contradict your earlier point
it doesn’t, i repeated the same thing. you can’t vote harder in general elections to make change without voting local and in primaries for actual progressives first. let’s see if someone gets confused again so I can rephrase the same thing a fourth time