Again, no sideloading needed. You’re misunderstanding the executive.
They enforce this by freezing bank accounts and issuing fines to corporations, not by internet censorship.
So any company that doesn’t have money flowing through the EU is unaffected. And any company that does have money flowing through the EU has a choice to either pull out of the EU or to fuck over their users.
I don’t see how this would be a problem either except on Apple. Blocking the sites offering the apk/deb/exe/etc - good luck, doubt their censorship skills are that good given that they’re unlikely to want a ton of collateral damage like more authoritarian places.
I’m European using signal, I frequent in two countries very often (not neighbouring countries) and for the past two years I’ve noticed more and more people using signal.
Ditched whatsapp half a year ago and haven’t had problems. Some friends use both signal and whatsapp.
Not saying many in whole Europe use signal but it certainly is not only popular in US.
Edit: but not saying using signal will change anything if this bill passes. No matter what popular app we use we are going to have no privacy at all if this thing passes…
WhatsApp uses the same encryption as Signal and chat screening won’t be exclusive to WhatsApp anyway, so whatever WhatsApp will need to implement to comply, Signal will have to follow.
End to end encrypted, I think chat control is all about client-side scanning so the app being open source is a big deal and would prevent client-side scanning because even if they build in client-side scanning, it’s open source and people can remove it.
Signal is pretty control freak-y, so would not be surprised if they can somehow prohibit third-party modifications entirely. That would be out-of-character for them, though, so doubt they would actually go through with this.
Still, if that went through, I’d discount all the centralized solutions.
Sorry but if you want private messaging Signal is your only option. I’m sorry you all have to deal with it but now is a good time to bully friends and family into switching to Signal.
You shouldn’t be using whatsapp anyway.
First they came for whatsapp. I didn’t say anything because I don’t use whattsapp.
It would concern all messaging apps, which is beyond stupid. Lol, even nato uses the matrix protocol.
Lots of defense uses XMPP as well
No, this would only affect the ones run by corporations with a presence in the EU
Oh, I thought that was clear by context…
I definitely would sideload the secure versions, if I was affected, which got more easy thanks to EU, lol
Again, no sideloading needed. You’re misunderstanding the executive.
They enforce this by freezing bank accounts and issuing fines to corporations, not by internet censorship.
So any company that doesn’t have money flowing through the EU is unaffected. And any company that does have money flowing through the EU has a choice to either pull out of the EU or to fuck over their users.
I’m sure, that they would ask apple and google to remove all messaging apps from organisations with no EU money flow?
Or do you not think so too?
I dont think that would be legal, no.
I don’t see how this would be a problem either except on Apple. Blocking the sites offering the apk/deb/exe/etc - good luck, doubt their censorship skills are that good given that they’re unlikely to want a ton of collateral damage like more authoritarian places.
And instead use what? Signal? And then chat with the zero other people who use it?
Telling europeans to not use whatsapp is like telling people not to use the power grid. It’s more popular here than iMessages are in the US.
I’m European using signal, I frequent in two countries very often (not neighbouring countries) and for the past two years I’ve noticed more and more people using signal.
Ditched whatsapp half a year ago and haven’t had problems. Some friends use both signal and whatsapp.
Not saying many in whole Europe use signal but it certainly is not only popular in US.
Edit: but not saying using signal will change anything if this bill passes. No matter what popular app we use we are going to have no privacy at all if this thing passes…
WhatsApp uses the same encryption as Signal and chat screening won’t be exclusive to WhatsApp anyway, so whatever WhatsApp will need to implement to comply, Signal will have to follow.
Signal is open source, so no it will always be available without chat control. https://github.com/signalapp
Good luck setting up your own server and convincing everybody else to use that.
Signal is not federated. It relies on a central server, meaning for all intends and purposes Signal controls the entire chain.
End to end encrypted, I think chat control is all about client-side scanning so the app being open source is a big deal and would prevent client-side scanning because even if they build in client-side scanning, it’s open source and people can remove it.
Just have the server link a hidden device, boom, all chats decrypted.
Signal is pretty control freak-y, so would not be surprised if they can somehow prohibit third-party modifications entirely. That would be out-of-character for them, though, so doubt they would actually go through with this.
Still, if that went through, I’d discount all the centralized solutions.
Very true. It wont matter what pops up in the appstore after either.
Only if they do business in the EU…
Why do you assume I’m American? I am, but you would have no way of knowing that. I could be Croatian for all you know.
Nobody assumed that, but you still haven’t answered the question…
I haven’t made any assumptions about where you’re from. I’m only arguing against the blanket statement of telling everyone to stop using whatsapp.
Sorry but if you want private messaging Signal is your only option. I’m sorry you all have to deal with it but now is a good time to bully friends and family into switching to Signal.
I dont know a single euroepean that is using WhatsApp, and im european… i mostly encounter asian people that use it.
Then you’re in a weird bubble. Nearly everyone uses it. I do. I hate it, I think its usability is bad, why can I only link four devices, etc.
WhatsApp is everywhere. Even at school it’s used for parents discussions. I have Signal but not using it since nobody has it…