I understand your view, but its still nothing that a community will love to adapt like discord as discord has too many features missing in Matrix.
If you want a successful and big community outside of coorp shit, then we need to create something new and better together and not put the load onto an individual person who wont be able to make it profitable.
@ReakDuck so why not work on adding those features to Matrix, instead of reinventing the wheel in another closed platform from scratch? The network effect is by far the most important factor when it comes to any chat app, or building a community. Matrix solves the network effect by being interoperable, having bridges.
Because it does the things well gamers want. They want to play together, and talk together (voice chat), and stream showing them bossing or doing something IG. It does those things very well. If matrix gets seemless voice calling and video/screensharing at the click of the button, they would find it easier to make inroads.
It also has sensible defaults for managing users etc. and it’s effortless.
It’s not about features, it’s just about getting the basics right.
You can only join a single chat/channel. You may join multiple ones at the same time but the idea is more heavy with too much decision making while on Discord, you just join a server and have hundrets of Chat Channels together with voice channels to join and create. Additionally the survey on whay roles you want and what channel topics you want to see. Matrix is not even similar, its entirely different.
@ReakDuck Huh? When was the last time you saw Matrix? These are “spaces” you are talking about, widely supported in client apps. And I wouldn’t even see it as the killer feature.
Spin up an XMPP server, brother. The servers require a lot less resources & storage & the clients have a lot of diversity & on mobile consume the least power & data. These are great for decentralized chat & Movim or Libervia can be used to build communites with posts.
If you need coms for gaming, Mumble is a more than serviceable alternative with low-system requirements & low latency.
The old tech still works & is still being actively worked on. What we need is less churn in new, half-baked projects & more efforts into extending existing technology or building alternative modernized clients for those that want them atop these battle-tested technologies.
Discord goes too far, we need an alternative that is better than Discord.
And no, Matrix is nit even close to discord in my opinion.
Check out revolt chat. It’s an attempt to make a Foss clone of discord.
That seems to be pretty good
Matrix is the best choice we have. Embrace it or make better because we can only use what is out there.
I understand your view, but its still nothing that a community will love to adapt like discord as discord has too many features missing in Matrix.
If you want a successful and big community outside of coorp shit, then we need to create something new and better together and not put the load onto an individual person who wont be able to make it profitable.
@ReakDuck so why not work on adding those features to Matrix, instead of reinventing the wheel in another closed platform from scratch? The network effect is by far the most important factor when it comes to any chat app, or building a community. Matrix solves the network effect by being interoperable, having bridges.
You’re entirely right. Idk from where this mindset comes and how to reduce the mindset.
But xdbk has a meme to this
I never understood the appeal of discord.
Like. It’s IRC with voice chat. I’m sure making a voice chat client is not trivial but weve had IRC for like 30 fucking years.
Because it does the things well gamers want. They want to play together, and talk together (voice chat), and stream showing them bossing or doing something IG. It does those things very well. If matrix gets seemless voice calling and video/screensharing at the click of the button, they would find it easier to make inroads.
It also has sensible defaults for managing users etc. and it’s effortless.
It’s not about features, it’s just about getting the basics right.
Why you don’t think that matrix could be an alternative?
You can only join a single chat/channel. You may join multiple ones at the same time but the idea is more heavy with too much decision making while on Discord, you just join a server and have hundrets of Chat Channels together with voice channels to join and create. Additionally the survey on whay roles you want and what channel topics you want to see. Matrix is not even similar, its entirely different.
@ReakDuck Huh? When was the last time you saw Matrix? These are “spaces” you are talking about, widely supported in client apps. And I wouldn’t even see it as the killer feature.
Spin up an XMPP server, brother. The servers require a lot less resources & storage & the clients have a lot of diversity & on mobile consume the least power & data. These are great for decentralized chat & Movim or Libervia can be used to build communites with posts.
If you need coms for gaming, Mumble is a more than serviceable alternative with low-system requirements & low latency.
The old tech still works & is still being actively worked on. What we need is less churn in new, half-baked projects & more efforts into extending existing technology or building alternative modernized clients for those that want them atop these battle-tested technologies.
I wouls be happy to see a full Rust stack alternative to xmpp