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Thank fuck it has a good naming system and they stuck with a winning formula this time. Let’s just reuse this hardware design for another decade or two until AR and holodecks are ready to take over
Yeah, unless something really cool comes along, let’s stick with “Switch”. Maybe add some extra feature if something makes sense, but let’s keep the hybrid system for a while.
Finally! This makes me very happy :)
Me too!
Me too!
They moved the charging port to the top!
Seems like there are two which is cool
Please have analog triggers, pleeeaaasssee
Doesn’t look like it
For those curious about the internal hardware: https://youtu.be/KoN1ZdnreNM?si=QlhXmD4SQDOyWO5q
Honestly, I’m a little concerned. Nintendo almost always tries something new and innovative. This just looks like a hardware upgrade, which is good, but not what keeps them ahead of their competitors. The Steam Deck is already encroaching on the Switch’s territory, and it’s only a matter of time before Playstation and Xbox try something similar (assuming Microsoft doesn’t just give up on consoles and just make PCs). I was expecting something no one else would try, like a duel-screen that could function like a Wii U and a DS.
The controllers are also mice
Well, that’s not nothing. It’s almost nothing, but not nothing.
It doesn’t help that the rumored price is $450. If it ends up being that high, I’ll definitely go for a Steam Deck instead. Con: can’t play Switch 2 games. Pro: everything else. I know electronics are super expensive now, but without the advantage of a lower price, a competitor’s portable console that’s not a walled garden is a very tempting alternative.
Oof, yeah, that’s pretty steep for Nintendo. Honestly, I always wait at least a year for the library to build up and the price to drop a bit. I’ve heen thinking that a Steam Deck would be my next purchase as well, and if the Switch 2 turns out OK I’ll get it in a couple of years.
I think price drops are a thing of the past for consoles nowadays, unless you’re getting something used. Neither the Switch nor PS5 ever dropped in price. The PS5 even RAISED in price in some markets.
Oh. Well, that sucks ass. My switch was a present, so I never knew that.
Neither did wii for that matter.
Can’t play Switch 2 game, yet. I have Yuzu/Ryujinx running multiple games at better frame rates than the Switch itself the using SyncThing to keep saves/isos mirrors to my NAS and PC so I could seamlessly move from desktop to Steamdeck and back.
Unironically better functionality than the device I was emulating. I still bought games on the eShop to assuage my conscience, but only after is played more than 4-5hrs so I even gave myself timed demos of everything as opposed to whatever the devs had time to carve out (if they even did).
I wouldn’t count on Switch 2 emulation being nearly as good as Switch 1 was. Not many people are going to be willing to put a lot of effort into it for free when it’s known that Nintendo will aggressively shut them down.
Have you not followed recent news?
Yes.
They run afoul of the law when they bypass encryption, recreate copyrighted programs, or point users to pirated material.
Both Yuzu and Ryujinx had to bypass encryption to be able to run the games. Switch 2 will be the same.
I think a big point in those cases was that the emulators came with the keys included. If you don’t provide the keys (or make them VERY easily available), emulators seem to be legal.
Nothing in that article indicated any sort of change in Nintendo’s stance. I guarantee they will come down hard and fast on anyone who makes enough progress on a Switch 2 emulator to actually be able to run commercial games.
I was really hoping for the hand-held virtual portal they had planned a few years ago. Assuming it got scrapped when 3DS didn’t do as well as they hoped. But yeah, basically the tech from the *new 3DS, upgraded to a bigger single screen with an imu so you could use the portal to control the in-game camera. And it would basically feel like you are looking through and holding an actual portal into the videogame world you are playing.
It’s possible to just do more easily/cheaply in VR now. But I still think a physical device doing it would surprise alot of people.
When the DS became the best selling gaming handheld we got
- DS OG 2004
- DS Lite 2006
- DSi 2009 (removed Gameboy slot)
- DSi XL 2010
They then went on to make the 3DS in multiple iterations including one where they just removed the 3D functionality and sold it again as a DS and the most recent model in 2017 was…
- New Nintendo 2DS XL
When they have a successful and well selling portable console they slow down on the innovation and go full into embrace the ecosystem as long as possible with minor improvements and if we use the DS as an indicator we have a decade of this.
The difference here is the entire DS line played the same games and provided the same core hardware. The 3DS, 3DS XL, and 2DS all played the same games.
The Switch comparison here would be:
- OG Switch
- Switch Lite
- OLED Switch
The closest comparison for Switch 2 would be the “New 3DS” which had a handful of games that weren’t backwards compatible. Or maybe the Wii U, although that tried to be innovative enough to be its own thing.
We haven’t officially seen the specs yet but it seems safe to say they are more powerful and that “Switch 2 exclusive games” can access that power. That will mean its more like DS/3DS (or PS4/PS5) in that the new gen will get its own library but will still have access to the sizable software catalogue from the earlier gen.
Yeah it would be very dumb not to capitalize on the success of the Switch.
Yeah, but those are just different models, not different systems. Those DSs were all running the same operating system and playing the same games. We’re not talking about a new generation of console (except from DS to 3DS, which I would say is a pretty big graphical shake-up).
Eh, I had the Gameboy, then the Gameboy pocket, then the Gameboy color, then the Gameboy advance, then the Gameboy advance SP, then the DS, and so on. Sure, some were just different models of the same base console, but several were real upgrades with exclusive game libraries. This upgrade feels par for the course when it comes to Nintendo handhelds, and honestly, I like that. The switch was a great idea, and jumping to a new thing just because there’s some competition would be lame. Pretty much the only benefit of capitalism is supposed to be the whole “competition breeds innovation” thing. Maybe we’ll get a bit of that in the handheld market for once.
You’re actually skipping one of their handhelds: the Virtual Boy, Nintendo’s attempt at a 3D console in 1995. It was such a huge flop that its designer, Gunpei Yokoi, delayed his retirement in order to help develop the Gameboy Pocket, which was meant to hold the company over until the Gameboy Color was ready for launch.
I get what about not jumping to a new thing just because, but that’s kinda Nintendo’s whole thing (well, that and abusive IP lawsuits). Sometimes it’s a huge hit, like the Wii, and sometimes it’s a train wreck, like the Wii U, but it’s always different and, either way, it usually causes them to innovate.
That’s what I like about Nintendo; unlike their competitors, they’re not releasing the same product every few years with a graphical update, but that seems like what they’re doing here. I’m used to seeing them keep the same system alive for a decade, like the Gameboy or DS, and I’m used to them coming to market late with a relatively underpowered system, but I’m not used to seeing them say, “That was successful, let’s just make another one of those.”
Ok. That’s great buddy. (☞ ಠ_ಠ)☞
I’m gonna exit this conversation now.
LOL, weird reaction, but OK.¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I am not sure about the exposed connector on the side of the system that inserts into the Joycon. I could see a kid jamming the controller onto the system at a bad angle and breaking it.
It seems like the colored area on the side of the joycon fits pretty snuggly into the recess. I’m not sure if you could put it in at any other angle than the one that would marry them up
I’m very curious what they’ve done to prevent people accidentally forcefully removing it during gameplay. The sliding lock was annoying at first, but if you’ve ever gripped the controller hard at a pivotal moment it’s probably good that it didn’t rip away or even stress the parts.
The leaks showed what looked like a release button like the original joycons.
As soon as I saw that I thought “there’s this generation’s joycon deadzone”
More like this generations Nintendo DS hinge crack.
The joycon drift can happen regardless of how well you treat the analog sticks
I had exactly the same thought.
This is so big of a design flaw, I wonder if it’s not accepted as a way to sell more…
Hanlon’s razor
Man, the lackadaisical reveal. Hilarious.
Also, the Youtube video is called “Switch 2 First Look”. I see what you did there, Nintendo.
The only reason everyone is whelmed is because of all the leaks.
Had no one known anything, we’d be talking about the bigger size, new joycons and such.
Since there are no surprises we are just confirming what we already know.
I don’t think so. This so far has big Game Boy Color vibes to me. Especially in the context of the Switch OLED being a thing. That’s not necessarily bad, but it’s definitely not comparable to the sheer WTF-ness of the DS, Wii or Switch reveals. And we knew what the Switch was in advance, too.
Nintendo can have a hard time letting go of successful designs sometimes. At least they put a 2 on it instead of a U and made it clear that it’s a new system in the trailer.
I’m ready to change my mind after the direct, but I think the reveal would always have been “Oh, it’s a bigger, more powerful Switch. Alright”.
Just so you know, “whelmed” means the same thing as “overwhelmed”. The word you’re looking for here is “underwhelmed”.
Yeah I thought they were going to do more than just “here’s what it looks like!” we’ve already seen what it looks like from the leaks
They were all “FINE. YOU WANNA SEE IT? HERE IT IS, LOOK AT IT. LOOK. AT. IT. LOOKS LIKE THE LEAKS, DOESN’T IT? NOW GO WAIT IN THE CORNER UNTIL APRIL”.
I’m on board. Most empathetic I’ve felt towards Nintendo in ages.
I wonder how much power it’ll have
2
I don’t have the slightest clue what anybody expected in a redesign. They’ve kinda got a winning formula for what they’re trying to accomplish with the device, the sequel probably wasn’t going to look all that different.
Many of us are still burnt by the WiiU
Bigger screen and new ports? Awesome!
Still looks like Switch 1.5, not 2…but I’ll wait until I see hardware specs and games
Specs have been leaked before, starting way back in 2021 regarding the T239 SoC variant.
Since then, especially recently with the motherboard leak, people have pieced together specs that make it ~11x more powerful, but that’s looking at raw numbers and trying to fit that into something we currently know.
Knowing Nintendo, it will be underpowered and underclocked to preserve cost, battery life and make it as stable as possible for the long run.
Something different this time is the DLSS tech though. This might make games run easier no matter the raw numbers by allowing a lower native resolution without losing (much) visual acuity.
But that’s more a story for 3rd party developers, honestly, so I digress. I’ll say I’m cautiously optimistic about the potential of the hardware.
Dlss doesn’t interest me at all, but it might be a bit helpful on the smaller screen
Do we know anything about the types of sticks they’re using this time? The original Switch’s shit starts drifting so quickly… It’s why I sold the system and just kept my games. My PC and PS5 controllers haven’t broken once, but I went through 4 pairs of joycons in less than a year.
Allegedly it will be Hall-Effect-Sticks.
The drift that joycons get is almost always just caused by dirt/gunk under the joystick flaps. If you spray a little electrical cleaner up under the flaps it fixes the drift immediately. Might have to repeat it 1-2 times a year.
It’s always bothered me how big of deal joycon drift is when it has such an easy fix. Obviously it would be better if I didn’t happen at all, but it seems silly that people are throwing away good controllers that only needed a 5 second cleaning. Only thing I’ve ever had to replace any of my joycon controllers over is problems with the rail connections to the switch, where it swaps back and forth between wireless and direct connected. But my original 2016 joycons are still going strong, just stuck as wireless only joycons.
Not only did I keep them clean like all my other electronics, I had taken them apart to do a deeper cleaning after responses like yours when I posted about it on Reddit. The drift still persisted. I wasn’t just tossing out $70 controllers because they were dirty.
Even if that was the culprit, it still speaks to low quality when other controllers don’t need to be cleaned so often.
Opening up the controller and cleaning the joysticks directly might have actually made it worse. The joysticks have their own lubrication, if you clean the directly you can remove that and ruin them.
My experience has been that cleaning up the joysticks with the controller closed up is safe and generally fixes any drift or sticking buttons. Opening up the controller and trying to clean it with the same spray can be damaging and isn’t recommended.
And to be clear, the actual stick mechanism can break down and cause drift too. But every case of joycon drift I’ve ever seen between my couple sets and friends’ sets were always fixed by a quick spray of cleaner.
You’re vastly downplaying the problem. There’s a reason a class action lawsuit went forward with tons of evidence backing up that it wasn’t simply the user’s error in properly maintaining the joycon. I’ve bought a joycon and had it started drifting within weeks before, even before I had kids. The sticks were just poorly designed, simple as that.
I’m not claiming it’s a standard maintenance practice, most people won’t have the spray, and aren’t accustomed to needing to needing to maintain a joystick like that.
But it is truly a simple, cheap, easy fix for almost all cases of joystick drift (not just on joycons, but all controllers). I really think nintendo should have worked to spread the knowledge, and provided free cleaner to people with issues.
That was not the problem in “almost all cases.” Seriously, look up the class action lawsuit regarding it.
I do believe there are replacement sticks available nowadays that should mostly eliminate drift.
Edit
Yeah, I found them. They’re made by a company called Gulikit. I know the joycons are faulty little things, but I will hand it to nintendo that they’re the easiest controllers to work on currently. No soldering needed to replace the sticks.
I did that exact replacement. One of the Hall replacements began drifting as well.
I’ve never had drift on any other system. Weird.
Yeah, they’re not perfect as drop-in replacements.
They fix the problem of the joystick inputs appearing to hitch when at the edges of the gate, but they have way worse variance in readings when in the default position.
Anecdotally, I found Nintendo’s on-device calibration settings to suck. They don’t give enough control over deadzone and range parameters to actually make up for using a different sensor type. When repairing people’s joycons, I ended up using PC software to overwrite the joycon factory calibrations to make things actually behave…
Thanks for the tip in your edit. I had 4 pairs of official joycons drift, I eventually just bought a pair of 3rd party ones to keep mounted on it and those have been working fine for over 3 years now. I still have the official joycons, actually had 2 of them serviced and repaired by Nintendo after that class action lawsuit (Nintendo said they’d repair any drifting joycon for free regardless if they’re out of warranty).
I have had numerous sets start to drift, except the set that came with my Diablo special edition switch. I think those are 6 or 7 years old now. It is so odd those are fine but none of my others are.
Yeah I replaced mine with Gulikit sticks after they started drifting while playing BotW. They were surprisingly easy to service, no soldering or special tools required.
The JoyCon mouse theory is looking pretty solid now
Mouse theory?
There are rumors the joycon have an optical sensor on the side that would allow you to use them as a mouse on a flat surface
You’ll be able to use the joycons like you use a computer mouse for input.
Does it? They did show the controllers in the sensor down orientation, but the mouse theory is too wacky.
It wouldn’t even be the first time Nintendo released a mouse.
Mario Paint 2 for Switch 2
I would be there day fucking one for that. I have zero artistic talent, but Mario Paint was one of my favorite SNES games. If they do this, I really hope they keep that fly swatter mini game.
Not just in sensor-down orientation, but sliding around on a surface in the new wrist strap attachment which appears to have sliders on the “bottom” now
If you have a joy con handy, take it and place it on a mousepad and move it around. It feels surprisingly good in the hand.
How great would Mario Maker 3 be if you had a mouse input to place all the blocks and select items and stuff.
Or maybe even a track editor for the new Mario Kart! That’d be sweet. And with the mouse they could really let you shape tracks and add foliage easier.
Or just make it where you can plug a mouse into the USB port. Or Bluetooth. Mario Paint for the SNES had a mouse. No need to get crazy designing stuff for dual functions
They can easily do both (have the joycons mouse and ability to use a regular mouse).
And maybe you want to play a mouse game and only have the switch with you. Boom, you have a mouse with you already.
I’m excited for backward compatibility. Finally, I can experience the Korok Forest at 12 fps instead of the standard 8.
Hopefully they let the OG switch titles run with more horsepower.
It would be simpler for them to drop the clock cycle on the new hardware down to match the original hardware when running the BC titles, that way they don’t have to do as much testing to look for side effects.
They can add better upscaling at a minimum.
🤞
Just play it on PC. It looks better at 4k too.
do you know if they have a pc at all? or the pc version of the game?
I’m all for it but i hate this “just do on PC” take
I mean they definitely don’t have a switch 2 so
or the pc version of the game?
If you manage to find a PC version of Breath of the Wild/Tears of the Kingdom, please be sure to disable your antivirus before running the .exe and report back with what it does to your PC.
Playing it on PC requires an emulator and a ripped copy of the game.
.exe
We don’t say that file extension here, bud.
Every year is the year of the Linux desktop when you’re on lemmy
It’s my favorite echo chamber lol But yeah, I don’t think Linux will ever have the mass appeal that Windows and Mac do, and that’s okay. Still, it’s cool that gaming has been getting easier on Linux what with Proton and native support. It made it feel like I wasn’t giving something up when I gave up Windows.
A ripped copy Isn’t 100% a malicious one, as you can rip your own copy, which many people do to be able to play on pc
I know. My point was that there’s no PC version of the game; Anything claiming to be a PC version is likely malware. Playing on PC requires emulation.
Lmao I bought my monitors in 2013. It’s 1080p60 here. I have to use adapters because nothing has DVI out anymore. I don’t even care about 4K. 1080p60 is good enough for me. Now excuse me while I burn a CD for my manual 90s car. Today’s soundtrack is The Bends and the moonroof will be open.
I like the design a bit more, but it’s nothing new, rather an upgrade to the switch. That’s fine for me. As long as tge switch 2 is a bit more durable i would be happy. Let’s see if that will be the case.
Yeah, it’s exactly what I wanted. Won’t mind if there are any added features, but I am happy with a “powerful” switch.
