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A global shortage of oranges that sent prices soaring has prompted some orange juice manufacturers to consider turning to alternative fruits to make the breakfast staple.
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“There are three main factors driving the soaring price of orange juice, and it’s drought, disease and demand,” Ted Jenkin, oXYGen Financial CEO and co-founder, told FOX Business.
The spike stems from declining output in Florida, which is the primary U.S. producer, and disease and extreme weather events in Brazil, which accounts for about 70% of global production.
Orange trees in Brazil have been suffering from a disease known as citrus greening. Once infected, citrus trees produce fruits that are partially green, small, misshapen and bitter. There is no cure, and trees typically die within a few years of infection.
The disease, along with severe heat waves and drought that occurred during the pivotal phases of flowering and early fruit formation, have put Brazil on track to register one of its worst orange harvests in more than three decades, according to a new report published by Fundecitrus and CitrusBR.
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In the past, orange juice makers have avoided long-term shortages by freezing juice stock, which can be preserved and used for up to two years, according to the Financial Times. However, even that frozen stock is dissipating because of a three-year shortage build-up.
Cools said that manufacturers may have to consider using a different fruit, like mandarins, because their trees are more resistant to the greening disease. However, that could be a lengthy process.
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The currently sold-in-stores orange juice tastes almost nothing like actual orange juice already.
You have been drinking orange juice, not orange juice. It’s an easy mistake to make.
Orange flavored drink .
The best orange juice I tasted was in Rome at Dunkin Donuts, They squeeze the blood oranges right into a cup for you! 🤤. This was a long time ago.
There’s so much to unpack there. 🤣🤪
Orange juice product, made with (drops) of real orange!
Right I have no idea how they make that stuff but I just always assumed it contains little actual orange.
There’s a dirty secret in your glass of orange juice. Even though it says “not from concentrate,” it probably sat in a large vat for up to year with all the oxygen removed from it. This allows it to be preserved and dispensed all year-round. Taking out all the O2 also gets rid of all the flavor. So the juice makers have to add the flavors back in using preformulated recipes full of chemicals called “flavor packs.” Mmm, delicious, fresh-squeezed ethyl-butyrate!
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The brand “simply” tastes like fresh squeezed (it also is the proper color and not that Nickelodeon neon orange), but most other brands taste more like Sunny Delight than actual orange juice.
Simply is hella expensive tho.
Only OJ worth buying though.
you gotta try trader joes unpasteurized. nellys is pretty good too. simply rates as fine in my book, but at least its cheap.
Evolution and Nelly’s are the only brands that get close, but nothing is like fresh squeezed (obviously, same thing with any citrus juice, right?) so I just make some when I want it, by squeezing some oranges. We can still get the juicing oranges here, not year round though.
We can still get the juicing oranges here, not year round though.
Now I am wondering if it could also just be that I am used to a specific type of orange (navel mostly but I prefer Cuties) and perhaps the kind of orange typically used in premade OJ just doesn’t taste the same? 🤔 Like how a cider apple isn’t something you’d wanna eat by itself, but they’re necessary for making apple cider (along with other apples).
Valencia are good juicing oranges, but messy for eating. Navel oranges are dryer and less flavor but great to eat because so big and so easy to peel and section.
Fresh orange juice is just a whole different thing, it’s not like the bottled ones. If you juiced the navel oranges it would still taste more like the fresh juice from juicing oranges than the bottled juice does.
I guess Coca Cola has those flavor packets just right then.
Costco orange juice is where it’s at, only thing worth buying
Generic orange juice is a commodified product (ie, you can order a standard 1 tonne of frozen orange juice whenever).
The freezing process destroys a lot of the flavour, so some rind extract is included to bulk up the taste.
Freshly squeezed still has the original flavour, and not the added rind flavour.
(I didn’t look this up, mind, it’s possibly I’ve just repeated an old wives tale!)
can I just use the zester to get some of the acidic bite back into a fresh sqeeuzed thing?
The zest of an orange isn’t particularly acidic. A bit of lime juice or straight citric acid would do it, or use a different variety or less-ripe orange.
The zest has a very concentrated flavor, but not really any acidity.
However, ook into “super juice” it had a moment in fancy cocktail circles somewhat recently as a way to get more citrus juice from less fruit and also a product that will last longer in the fridge without the taste degrading.
Basically you peel your citrus, mix the peels with some powdered citric and malic acid (the ratio of acids depends on which citrus, I think lemon juice gets straight citric, lime and orange get a mix) and let them sit for a while, the acid pulls some of the oils and such out of the peels making “oleo citrate”, then you blend the oleo citrate and peels with water and strain out the solids and you’re left with something that is nearly identical to actual juice (and you could, of course, mix in the actual juice from the fruits as well)
I feel like there is probably something there you could work with to punch up your juice a bit. Maybe if you’re able to separate out the oleo citrate you could use that as sort of a citrus extract. Or if you just want more acidity and don’t need the flavor enhanced you could just add a bit of acid to the juice.
If my grade school art teacher was correct, they could take some red cranberry juice and add some yellow lemon juice to get the same result.
Ngl, that actually sounds pretty good
It’s not that far off of a cosmopolitan cocktail in concept
Just needs vodka
right, who cares if it tastes like OJ? long as it’s good it’s good
Cranberry and lemon?
Have you had either, just as they are? Neither are particularly sweet. Biting into a lemon is rarely as refreshing an experience as biting into a ripe sweet orange.
Guess if you added a metric fuckton of sugar it might be palatable, but if I want a want added sugar in my drinks, I’ll have a soda of some sort.
Sugar? You mean, “apple juice”?. Check your juices next time. They’ll never day added sugar. But somehow you always get apple juice.
Depends on the lemon. Get some lemons in the southern part of Spain for example. Those are more closely related to oranges than citrons, and are quite sweet. It’s basically like biting into lemonade.
Neither are particularly sweet.
They don’t have to. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miraculin
I’ll give you a few seconds to guess how much high fructose corn syrup is in “cranberry juice”… 🤦🏽♂️
Where I live? None.
https://www.granholms.fi/fi/tuotteet/safter-och-glogger/karpalomehu-350-ml
It’s still 20% sugar though to be palatable. I often buy my juices as proper cold-pressed, non-additive, non-sweetened, not that sweet one.
So I’d have one like this https://www.anttilantila.fi/tuote/karpalomehu-0-5l/
Although I don’t like cranberry. Bilberries are great though. And blackcurrant, if you ever want a boost to a shroom/lsd/ecstasy trip. Be careful with it though, it’d be actually dangerous. A cup of this with shrooms would considerably increase the effect. One of those “don’t try this at home” things. If you ever think about doing it, research it. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4949877#4949877
I went a bit offtopic but eh. The answer is “none here.”
Fair point, and oddly enough right up my alley, too. On one hand, I’ve hated “cranberry juice” for so long that I guess I assumed it was sugary bullshit all over the world. Sorry for that. 🙇🏽♂️ On the other, “don’t try this at home” is my middle name.
in Canada the cranberry juice concentrate in glass bottles they sell in the health food section that you have to mix with water yourself is legit, the plastic bottles of ocean spray is either “cocktail”, something like 5-10% real cranberry juice and the rest sugar water, or “100% juice” but mostly apple/pear with some cranberry. There used to be a cranberry bog nearby on a reserve that sold the glass bottle concentrate pretty cheap, was good stuff.
Now stop and ponder why they’re getting this idea from an art teacher
Yes I understood the joke. Just making discussion.
…who the fuck bites into an orange?
After it’s sliced or peeled?
How else would you eat it?
Slicing and peeling are for suckers. Just have a bite like you do with apples and onions.
pineapple*
*durian
Phrasing it like that makes it seem like you’re eating it like an apple
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At that point, just go ahead and add some vodka while you’re there. You’ve got a screwdriver, a cape cod and a vodka lemonade all in one.
let me guess, climate change?
And capitalistic mass production with no respect for natural resources, aka intensive farming. Plants are grown in huge monocultures with little to no genetic diversity thus making them prone to what would naturally be limited issues like unfavourable weather or diseases
Can’t say that in Florida, so it must be something else
Here in Florida there is a disease called citrus greening. The fruit grows small and falls off before it’s ripe. It’s basically destroyed the citrus industry. It’s spread by flying insects so impossible to control and there is no cure.
So climate change doesn’t help but that’s not the main culprit.
Flying insects are not necessarily impossible to control. You can promote the populations of their predators.
The problem is, that usually requires promoting a mixture of amphibians, birds, reptiles, small mammals, and other insects. To do that, you need a habitat full of various plants, trees, and terrains, but vast swathes of land have been turned into dead monoculture, so the predators die out.
Predators? That sounds expensive, complicated, and could negatively affect profits.
Can’t we just spray the trees with massive quantities of something cheap and effective like DDT?
Sure, until after several insect generations when many have adapted.
It’s like they say: when you’re making an orange juice you’ve gotta break a few eggs.
That works to mitigate flying insects but you are always going to have some. With citrus greening all you need is one to go from infected tree to uninfected tree and the tree is now fatally infected.
Worse the tree will live for years and the insects spread the bacteria for miles from one infected tree. Florida has spent almost two decades fighting the disease. And lost badly.
Hell even is we had done ruthless culling of any citrus within a large range of and infected tree like we did with citrus canker in the 90s it probably wouldn’t have worked.
We failed to stop canker from spreading and canker only hurt production and made the fruit ugly and suitable only for juice. It was also much easier to manage as it was spread by leaf to leaf contact and via things like stepping on the leaves in one grove and not cleaning your boots before entering another grove.
In 2004 Florida produced 240 million boxes of citrus. Greening was discovered in Miami in 2005. In 2023 Florida produced 16 million boxes.
that usually requires promoting a mixture of amphibians, birds, reptiles, small mammals, and other insects. To do that, you need a habitat full of various plants, trees, and terrains
So essentially, the opposite of the “modern, mechanized agriculture at scale” that is required to sustain our population’s food requirements.
No wonder we are seeing an insect apocalypse and a bird apocalypse, and a massive decline of all species, and hundreds of extinctions each year…
We’re fucked.
A blight in this case. It’s been happening for a while. I think Arizona’s drier climate is the only place to reliably grow it right now.
They didn’t give a reason for declining output in Florida. I assume global warming related, but I wonder if there’s another reason
They didn’t give a reason for declining output in Florida.
It does say:
On top of that, Florida has been hit by a series of hurricanes as well as the greening disease, which is spread by a tiny insect called the Asian citrus psyllid.
There’s also the fact that Florida just chased away all the migrant workers and undocumented workers. Bit of a labor shortage down there at the moment.
We did chase away a lot of the migrant workers and climate change is very real. However it’s the citrus greening that is to blame. We don’t even need the citrus pickers because there is nothing to pick.
Here is a picture of an orange on one of my trees. Itt should be much bigger starting to turn yellow and unblemished. It will get a little bigger stay green and then fall off.
They also cut down a bunch of orchards to build more retirement neighborhoods.
They pissed off migrant workers too, didn’t they?
Chasing out all of the migrant labor with threats of legal action and/or violence.
They just didn’t want to say that for some reason.
Wee bit of a labor shortage perhaps?
There is no labor shortage with current production efficiency. There is labor underpay.
Florida has been making it increasingly difficult and hazardous for undocumented immigrants to live and work in Florida. Hence labor shortage.
Not labor shortage, but cheap/almost-slave labor shortage.
I hope unions in Florida will use this situation to greatly improve working conditions and increase workers’ wages.
Also quick search shows there are layoffs in Florida anyway, so again, not labor shortage, but almost-slave labor shortage.
Argue semantics all you want. It is a labor shortage caused by Republican policies which keep out the cheap labor while doing nothing to address the gap that creates.
Best thing about the color and fruit having the same name is as long as the juice color is the same it will always be Orange Juice.
Warning: this is orange juice, not orange juice
The color is named after the fruit
Or they could be transparent with their customers and call it a similar sounding new name, distinct enough in its own right but rhyming with the original name, but the capitalist pigs won’t ever do that
It isn’t just ’ freezing juice stock’, really that hasn’t been the way things have been done in a long time.
JuicePaks from givaudan have been normalized since maybe the '80’s.
Consumers expect orange juice to taste like ‘orange juice’, year round, whether it was a good or bad year. There isn’t anything intrinsically bad about that anymore than expecting bananas to taste like Cavendish.
The world is changing though, and tastes will have to adapt.
Oh how the tables have turned…
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220627-how-orange-juice-took-over-the-breakfast-table
“The innovation [of concentrated juice] arrived as Florida growers were dealing with cyclical, massive overproduction. The promise of a new way to make juice that could be kept frozen, then reconstituted in people’s homes, prompted them into even more production, however. They ramped up tree planting in the 1940s. The oranges went to frozen concentrate and eventually, to chilled juice, an industry term for the refrigerated product. If juice could be kept in stasis, held in waiting for a consumer’s glass, then the only problem was ramping up demand as much as possible.”
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“It had taken a few decades, but with the help of advertising and processing technology, the dumping ground for extra oranges was solidly ensconced as its own product, far outpacing oranges themselves in sales.”
It’s raspberry jam all over again!
Only in America is overabundance a problem to solve
“Ain’t no such thing as climate change!!!”
[Climate charge ends orange juice]
“Librulz want to CANCEL my orange juice!!!”
“My God. The Dukes are going to corner the entire frozen orange juice market!”
I have mine falling on the floor because I can’t eat/drink them all.
Reminds me of that one essay where they talked about burning oranges to maintain the price
Isn’t that just fruit juice, then?
No it’s still juice that is orange, just not juice from an orange.
The sources are a CEO and FOX Business? Yeah that doesn’t mean anything to me, hoss.
There is no cure, and trees typically die within a few years of infection.
Molecular biologists could make tree that won’t get infected. Until ecoactivists like Greenpeace will come and uproot the trees.
Has the disease been researched well enough for us to know how to genetically engineer resistance to it? If not, what you’re saying is a moot point.
Considering article about it on wikipedia was created in 2005 and says it appeared in USSA in 1998, it should have been researched.
Also quick look at Control section suggets that it is well-researched already.
Humanity already researched so many diseases, that biggest problem to research new one is paywall
In that case, then yup. Fuck both the corporations patenting/paywalling these advancements and the anti-GMO crowd fear mongering about it.
When there will be catgirls?!Yes, GMO crops would allow to use less resources(land, water and stuff crops eat) to feed same amount of people.Fuck both the corporations patenting
It’s worse than most think. You can go and patent spider silk protein. Not that you invented it, but for no reason it’s patentable and such patents already exist. Literally patenting nature. Oh, also regular crops can be patented too for some reason, no gene engieneering required.
It took centuries to come up with the smallpox vaccine. None of the control methods have available genetically-engineered trees. They can only substantially decrease rate of infection, but that’s nowhere close to 90%.
It took centuries to come up with the smallpox vaccine.
Smallpox? Why thousands? You could say millions of years, you could say billions. Just don’t go over 14 billions, it would be complete nonsense.
Smallpox vaccine is first vaccine ever made. Second vaccine took another while to be developed. Then they started to be created much more often. In current age developing vaccine for new virus(example) takes…
- December 2019 - first recorded case
- May 2020 - announcement of start of development
- August 2020 - studies ended
- September 2020 - studies published
Obviously you can find vaccine that was developed faster.
But since we are talking about genetically engieneering trees, here’s example. There is fungus that threats to make Cavendish banana and first was found in 90-ies, and I found article from 2023 about Australia approving export of engieneered bananas.
Now back to CVPD.
Since how CVPD works is described inDid we both miss “Antisense oligonucleotides” subsection? Exact modifications are already known. Just insert them into tree.EDIT: typos
EDIT2: export of modified bananas, not fungus. Lol.
Just don’t go over 14 billions, it would be complete nonsense.
Actually, the more data we get from JWST, the more evidence we get that the universe is older than 14 billion years. Some estimates have it in the 25 - 30 billion year range.
There are greening tolerant (not resistant) varieties developed already, yes of course biologists have been and are urgently working on it. I have a “sugar bell” tree, that’s one of them.
